Imagine accusing someone who just showed up of being incapable to read. Is that your only insult?
Except they showed up with accusations of previous content here being pointless slurslinging. Which implies they read at least some of it. And failed to recognise what's actually going on. Therefore incapable of reading comprehension. Stop confusing observations with insults.
That is not a suggestion. Why are people so bad at reading these days! Fucking clip mentality and ADD acceptance. If you were capable of reading and were inquisitive enough to read this thread back a bit you would have discovered that I'm using this to practice my English. That is the reason behind the overly loquacious verbiage and the varying (to the extent of my ability) insults. OP provides a nice target because they are extremely stubborn in maintaining the same false disposition which is a perfect opportunity for me to test the limits of my vocabulary and persistence in coming up with various ways to formulate the counterpoints.
And the OP is very much getting something out of this as well. I'm no telepath, so I have no idea whether it is attention, sense of righteous indignation, illusion of owning some monkeys (even though you and they are proven to be monkeys yourselves), maybe they are testing some of their social skills in uncomfotable conversations, who knows. It is clear though that
They can disengage at any second.
Didnt see this at first but it makes good sense. From now on I am not gonna reply to anyone who is trolling.
(sry dunno how to embed quotes within quotes) OP is well aware of their possibilites and still chooses to answer my posts of their own free will.
That is the reason behind the overly loquacious verbiage and the varying (to the extent of my ability) insults. OP provides a nice target because they are extremely stubborn in maintaining the same false disposition which is a perfect opportunity for me to test the limits of my vocabulary and persistence in coming up with various ways to formulate the counterpoints.
You should do stand up comedy. Nothing you have said is verbacious. Your insults are always the same shit. you flog a dead horse about me being bad at dota, or me not being capable of reading, or me having low intelligence. There is nothing difficult, unique, or clever about your trash tier insults. Also I legit cant take you seriously cause you dont write like this normally so either its a failed attempt at humour or you are actually so stupid and condesending that you are deliberately picking moderately abscure words in an attempt to make yourself look anything but stupid, which by the way, makes you look stupid.
And the OP is very much getting something out of this as well.
not a hard assumption considering I just said I would delete the thread if i wasnt getting something from it :P
@OP
Here's a great idea: not everyone is a native English speaker. So let me, a non-native English speaker, remind you, a supposedly native English speaker that definitions exist for a reason and if you check the definition for "loquacious" you will find the exact description of my modus operandi here: going to unnecessary lenghts and piling excessive heaps of words on top of each other to explain quite simple concepts that reqiure none of it.
I have no idea what words I've said here were in any way Obscure and I have no idea why you keep taking variations of the same obervations (not insults) to heart if you are intent on not changing your actual behaviour, but guess who does it make look stupid? Here's another idea, btw: If I view you as excessively inept on the basis of your behaviour here and you view me as stupid on the very same basis, does that mean that we both win our perceived versions of the argument simultaneously? That's some synergy right there.
Most ppl would have admitted that they were wrong about initial evaluation of their skillset and moved on to learning to lie better, but since you didn't, the core problem I have with your stance remains the same. And the core arguments I'm making are the same, only slightly varied in presentation. Which is perfect for my goal of maintaining my grip on vocabulary and grammar (and being a dick).
I mean, for real how do you
Also I legit cant take you seriously
when I just
Slash fucking s my dude
And
not a hard assumption considering I just said I would delete the thread if i wasnt getting something from it :P
should probably be adressed to the oversensitive on behalf of others censorious account, considering I'm making the exact same argument on the matter.
Actually English isnt my mother tongue, but i was born in the UK and have live here all my life so im basically a native speaker.
And yes these words are obscure. Nobody talks like that in everyday speech and dont pretend anything otherwise. These are words I would use in a academic document or dissertation, not in an internet argument.
Congrats on writing a post that seems actually thought provoking though I will give you credit for that. At least you arent completely brainless.
The fact that Ive climbed most of the way to 2k is more than enough proof that I was somewhat correct in what I initially wrote. If I was a true 1k shitter I would still he struggling at 900 mmr like I did when I wrote this thread but that isnt the case.
Well, there is no denying that your lasthitting in free or weakly contested lane is above what is expected from 1ks, however in your OP you state that you are on the 3k+ level with a bunch of questionable arguments and that is still as wrong as it was on day one. Congrats on almost making it to 2k, you could have been doing it a lot faster though with just a bit of an attitude change. The kind I just seemingly made.
That's enough of being serious for one day. Back to being a dick it is!
Anyways, I contacted a staff member to lock the thread so we'll see how it goes oof
HI MY CHILDREN BEFORE THEY LOCK THE POST, REMEMBER I HAD MY PART OF LONGUEST AND MOST ACTIVE THREAD OF THIS FORUM.
@エイミーの亡霊: TBH, this is one of the most active thread in the forum and a forum needs activity. Your action is against the forum activity. By your action, you are trying to make this forum less active and the community less likely to make it live.
Your thread "so much hate on girls who play dota" is an invitation for sexist people to express publicly their hate against a given gender (we can see it in the comments) and, hence, should have been locked from the beginning. Wanna play SJW, we can play SJW !
And honestly "3k level" of lasthitting is garbage, and she has that already, but "vhs level" is where its at and she is lacking in that departament.
In your matches as you are matched up with noobs on your smurf, yes. You talk about VHS but I don't see any VHS game in your history.
In your matches as you are matched up with noobs on your smurf, yes. You talk about VHS but I don't see any VHS game in your history.
by "3k level" i mean the average lasthits a 3k carry would have, which is around 5-7cs/min - OP gets this every game, pretty much showing that her skills aren't below 3k.
by "VHS level" i mean the average lasthits a 4/5k+ carry would have, being 9-12cs/min - something I do not see OP being consistent at.
Hope that clears things up - i don't need to be playing in VHS myself in order to know how much farm proper carries tend to have, watching some streams and replays, even having played in VHS on other accounts is enough.
YOU FUCKED MY WIFE's own match history verifies my statements - his Immortal carry friend manages a consistent 9cs/min whereas he himself, being a comparatively insignificant carry player, barely every goes beyond 7cs/min.
^You are so right, the number of CS per minute is the only thing that determines skill.
What about those cancer lanes that just zone you ?
What about this supp that gets your last hits on purpose with spells and doesn't zone neither pull & stack ?
What about these 4 ennemies minute 4 that come just to destroy your game minute 4 ?
What about those ennemies support that sentry to block your camps ?
[...]
=> Macro is nothing, micro is nothing, theorycrafting is nothing, drafting is bad, hero pool versatility is bad, etc...
What about supports in VHS ? do they get 9-12cs/min ?
And about my friend, you are missing one point: we get him all the space of the universe, we commit a lot on securing his lane, we stack ancients on the given picks, we hold 4v5 early fights[...].
Man he even steals the last hits on the camps our pos2 was farming which is likely to tilt random players in pubs.
=> How do you expect him to get an average pub CS with all this commitment ?
Anyway, no wonders you are still legend 5 farming simulator boy. Keep on farming while your team gets rekt then flame them.
You seem to think I'm suggesting that I am a 5k player or something? Maybe I will be, maybe not.
i mean, the difference is that you enable your immortal boi in your 4-5k average matches, noone enables me in 3k, yet we farm at the same rate.
of course, thats because 3ks have no clue how to stop a carry from farming (best they can do is harass in the lane, but i just outplay them and kill them or farm jungle if not possible), but at the same time they don't help either (well, they do, but not knowingly). An actual 3k carry player isn't going to abuse the fact that enemy doesnt know how to stop him, and hes not going to get proper cs , all because he doesnt actually know how to farm - which is probably what makes him a hardstuck 3k.
Just saying, i didn't just check one game - i checked multiple, and my statement holds true. Yes, your immortal boi averages nearly double the cs/min compared to you, even in soloq games where he doesnt have 4 premades sucking him off. In average, playing pos1, between 7 and 11, 7 being slow-farming fighting-build heroes such as faceless void and 10+ being antimage and other fast farming cores (to be expected - same in my case and im sure its same for all carry players).
However don't think I'm flaming you here - you are neither immortal nor a carry player (in fact, i struggled to find enough samples becaue you barely ever play carry) so your apparent incompetence is easily excused by you playing off-role or above your rank.
If you were an ancient3 carry player, not getting 7-10 cs/min in every game possible, i'd say you're straight up eloboosted - but you're obviously a support/offlaner.
However don't think I'm flaming you here [...] your apparent incompetence [...] above your rank
Fair enough, got tilted but i shouldn't have :D But man this passive aggressive 2nd part of the sentence RJFKEJKFJHEFEHHSWKE. :D
thats because 3ks have no clue how to stop a carry from farming
That's the thing where we don't share the same experience. IDK if the matchmaking takes the number of games in account (that's my main), but I've seen a lot of hate on the carry either to stop the snowball or to just shut him down.
One asset you have to insure your CS/min in your recent matches (lets be kind), is that you play antimage which has an amazing escape and hence is hard to shutdown without decent CC lockdown (not even talking about the new spell shield for this b***ch bane).
have 4 premades sucking him off
It's the pos1 in general that we "suck off" to use your words, whether it's him or not. When he goes mid, he is the same cancer that steals our pos1 farms sometimes (true story) and with which we have to play 4v5 because he is at the other corner of the map keeping his CS/min stats.
not getting 7-10 cs/min in every game possible[...] i'd say you're straight up eloboosted
If I make a smurf, I don't drink and play serious I get ancient at least so no, my level is legit. You forget like 90% aspects of dota with your statement (drafting, execution, etc...).
Edit: Chill out on the passive aggressive btw as you might fail a job interview one day because of this :D
Edit2: BTW I'm not a "carry" player nor an "offlane/support" role. I adapt to my team's need and the ennemy draft.
Regarding 3k, of course everyone is hating on the carry, but I, having been schooled by the master Cookie, like Vertoxity here, have learned how to deal with their half-assed aggression. 3ks don't think about what's gonna happen next, they rotate for me with TPs, i run away and push the opposite lane and they usually either look for a play where they failed to gank me (in which case i take objectives in my lonesome) or they run all the way towards me for me to run away again - too much focus on the carry is their downfall - even if they have a functional counter as a way to deal with a farmed carry, its usually underfarmed by trying to pressure the carry at improper times that the carry goes out of control and their only real answer is not there to perform.
I'm not suggesting that you're above your real rank - simply that your carry game might not be adequate. As you yourself know and said - there is more to dota than just farm, and while farm is usually what defines a good carry, there are other roles that you seem to be better at.
And yes, I'm abusing anti-mage because I think he is extremely strong, borderline-undealwithable(not a real word, i know) in low rank.
Besides, i enjoy playing anti-mage.
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Faceless void is definitely not the fastest farming core simply because his chronosphere is such a high kill threat that he doesn't want to push lanes with it available (which he uses to transition into kills, obviously - sort of like slark).
Could you provide the matchID for when i failed to account for game length? I said there were some exceptions but the general average remains the same. Of course it's not correct to judge the cs/min of a carry in a 20 minute game and the same carry in a 50 minute game as one and the same - but honestly i can't be bothered to make such a complex analysis for something as trivial as this.
Are you suggesting its somehow my fault i stomped my calibration and got an inflated medal as a result?
^ The reflex to go somewhere else is good in most case but sometimes you could do the small difference to win the fight (all ennemies low hp and no kills taken), your team will most probably flame you (they translate this into snowball and then no more space and no map control to farm).
In some games, letting this Earthshaker finish his blink (let's say 400g) by letting him get some of your farms (not all) if you are online already (i.e. diffu PL) is worthier game-wise and team-wise. A well-landed Echo Slam does a big difference in a teamfight whereas the ultimate orb you just finished a small one.
The thing I'm trying to highlight is that CS is part of the equation but there are many other factors.
Edit(didn't see your edit): Keep an eye on this hungry BM LC before you get your manta while you split as Magina and ask your supp to give you wards that you'll place according to where you want to split. You know what I'm talking about :)
I agree, though I feel a bit offended that you'd think I don't know this already. Cheers.
Usually the 'go another lane' aspect is used when splitpushing though, which on its own indicates that the team is not there to back you up - a fight usually not possible.
And yeah - against LC i'm going linkens before manta :v
Not the only part yeah, just saying that if you took 100 game samples from an Immortal and from a Legend and averaged the stats, I'm sure the cs/min difference (hero and building damage, as well - also damage taken, in most cases, too) would be more than noticable despite 3k being a literal farm-fest.
Watching BSJ stream, hes farming 10 cs/min on Terrorblade, and his dota+ shows him as having below average cs/min
^This comparison is true as Immortals optimize all their "routing" (i.e. taking the farms while going to a place), the jungle usage (cutting trees to stack while doing a camp, pulling several camps to splitshot dusa, etc...) and, usually, high-bracket supports (if it's not a frustrated carry that lost the /roll) actually zone the offlaner(s) and don't steal the farms.
This scenario applies if your team is not getting rolled over and the ennemies don't come for you T3 minute 8 while your T1 is still up xD
I play in the 3k bracket and i rarely see what you call a farm fest. Ofcourse a immortal player gonna have better stats than a 3k player they are better at every aspect of the game.
Around 500-650gpm is normal for a carry in my games and i assume "farm fest" would be 800-900gpm every game. That kind of number is hard in a 2-1-2 meta and much more one sided games than before.
@varjager that's because, and I mean no offense, you're an actual 3k player.
Check a smurf playing in 3k and you will see they don't usually fall below 700gpm. Like, even I average 640, and I only have 54% winrate (i dont think I count as a smurf tbh).
And honestly, that 700 is from a rough lane. If i get a freefarm lane on antimage (1/10 games lol), i feel disappointed if i don't reach 1k gpm.
Though, that said, there's a HUGE difference between 3k flat and 3.8k in example. I wouldn't even be surprised if i never reach 4k - at some point i will probably tilt and spiral downwards.
What ive read in the posts before no one said anything about smurfs. Why even mention smurfs, ofcourse a smurf gonna have excellent performence when they play against lower skilled players.
This thread is about alot of things it. I have never said i cant improve as a player and i have never complained about my current mmr. This thread is not about me.
^Sorry didn't want to mean you trashtalk, was just reacting to what this topic "became about".
To come back to the topic, her last games in low prio I presume are a good example of 1k gaming: losing as high skill cap pick like invoker to a leshrac which is low skillcap.
"i landed all my combo and i still die? you guys are hacking right?" XDDDDDD I guess she was drunk.
how is losing with a high skill floor hero such as invoker against a simple hero such as lesh '1k gaming'?
not trying to defend her dieing lots of times as invoker but still thats kind of a weird thing to say
Because invoker is supposed to shit on leshrac:
- You outrange him
- You can sustain his 3rd spell with quas alternance (and stack wand charges) while you don't last hit/deny
- you can cancel his long ass cast animation with cold snap, you can deny the runes with golem
- you can reduce a lot Edict damages by sharing its aggro with golems (summon it after his E or put it out of range from stun + E to then bring it to share aggro you can even split it into cold snap then auto attack with golem to cancel cast animation)
- you have better auto attack damages with Exort, [...]
Those mechanics are basics (microing one creep, doing one spell) that someone that doesn't play invoker can apply and we didn't highlight the snap nado meteor sumiya.combo.
Do you agree that microing one creep and using one spell is supposed to be possible by a 1k+ player ?
You also need to do these all pretty much perfectly, or due to the vast difference in movement speed between lesh and invoker* , invoker straight up dies or barely survives with invisibily any time lesh successfully goes on him - lesh threatens to kill the q/e invoker by simply casting lightning on him* and know how to skillbuild for the situation*.
So basically, i would stand by my point that you need to be an invoker player, or at least have extensive knowledge of both heroes to go even or win against a competent leshrac.
*1 - if one was to follow your suggested quas-exort build
*2 - if invoker does not have cold snap or tornado already invoked, it should be really difficult for a not-so-experienced invoker player to effectively interrupt leshrac stuns cast animation. you basically need to be prepared to tornado or coldsnap the leshrac the moment he casts his lightning, which is not something inexperienced invokers would figure out at a moments notice (they'd need to plan the lane beforehand, which is something Violet could likely improve on)
*3 - basically youd want to go quas wex in this matchup to tornado him better and not straight up die any time he lightnings you when you dont have coldsnap invoked due to movementspeed, but then you lose kill and cs potential that exort offers - so you end up in a conflicting situation and you need to base the skill build based on how the lane is going and what supports the teams have.
I disadvice it as you give up the extra damages to lh/deny for sure, you renounce on golem to share the aggro from edict, you need at least quas lvl 3 - 4 to be sure to land the EMP (to gain like 0.5 sec) => Nado => snap combo and leshrac ulti still goes on while he is cycloned. After it's my opinion...
I don't know if nado purges edict though...
as i said, its a conflicting situation. if you go quas wex you will suck at denies and lasthits as well as do low damage and have no golem, if you go quas exort you will be at risk of dieing any time he casts lightning on you when you dont have coldsnap/tornado ready (coldsnap cd is 20 sec, lightning cd is 4 sec, btw).
reading some reddit thread about invoker vs leshrac matchup, exort build is greatly favored if you seek to win the lane. So im not going to argue about it, im not an invoker player.
honestly i can't be bothered to make such a complex analysis for something as trivial as this
The fact that it may require a complex analysis makes it very much non-trivial. Of course you would have known that were you to possess any cognitive ability. Some ppl here have made lengthy analytical posts nitpicking every little detail on smth. You, on the other hand, seem eager to throw bullshit statements around yet unwilling to actually back em up with "complex analysis". Does wonders for your credibility.
Are you suggesting its somehow my fault i stomped my calibration and got an inflated medal as a result
No, I'm suggesting you should start posting from your main because there is another explanation for this discrepancy - you got boosted to legend by someone else. Does wonders for your credibility.
Check a smurf playing in 3k and you will see they don't usually fall below 700gpm
Are you a legit retard? I mean the "chat logs" confirmed that, but still. No support smurf has 700 avg gpm and yet they still can have 70%+ winrate. Do you not recognise that you can climb as a support? Does wonders for your credibility.
Also
a simple hero such as lesh
Wat? Lesh core simple hero. Sure mate. DOES WONDERS FOR YOUR CREDIBILITY.
^Man I missed you, I tried to give you an opening with:
There hasn't been any trashtalking on Violet for more than 10 comments.... Strange.
Wat? Lesh core simple hero. Sure mate. DOES WONDERS FOR YOUR CREDIBILITY.
Except landing a 1.05 sec (cast point + delay) stun, using edict when your target will get all explosions, mana management on ulti and bounces management on the lightning, what do you find complex on this pick ?
This is my main now, lol, i quit all my other accounts because i abandoned into low priority and F behaviour score.
I actually feel really bad about not having a proper main, most of my accounts are tainted by cookie smurfing on them or just being thrown away and then picked back up after i improved.
And then i quit dota for almost a year, to then return on this account.
Feel free to examine my match history, only boosting done here was by me.
Okay, if i must i shall clarify - no position 1 smurf in 3k would normally fall below 700gpm in a match longer than 25 minutes. I just thought it was obvious as we were conversing about the carry role at the moment.
The amount of data i actually analyzed for my statement was limited, like up to 15 games in total, but aside from a few stompy 20min losses, it was all more or less correct (being an active user of the human brain, i check the cs of cores in most games i spectate or play, so i naturally remember and am able to make an estimate which was then proven correct by my limited sample analysis). Feel free to do your own analysis on the average cs/min stats of 3k and 5k+ players, attempting to prove me wrong.
But considering the fact that you're just nitpicking and trolling I really doubt you will do that.
Anyway jokes on you, I'm practicing my english as well.
Was gonna ask what chatlogs, but you're talking about the direct messages between me and OP? I really thought you actually had something embarrassing on me for a moment.
@ Venomous undead
Oh, don't you worry, I did examine your match history and the only hero you do get 10+ cs/min is antimage. When you get babysat. Sometimes by a proper trilane.
You do not at all: creep aggro, check minimap, adjust camera position, prime ls/denies, tread switch (on a fucking antimage), pressure objectives to force rotations (on a fucking antimage), adjust itembuilds, capitalise on item timings.
You do: have a decent APM, move a lot in lane, put pressure on your lane opponents when they are weak, sometimes backpack items for regen efficiency, sometimes check the map when you are dead.
You also do deliberately avoid joining fights in favor of getting raxes when the enemy can defend megas forever and pick jungle jugg coz fuck the team I guess. You are OPs mental doppleganger without a doubt, just somewhat better at the game.
Was gonna ask what chatlogs
I mean for real, saying they are embarassing does not even start describing the worthlessness of mental capacity on display there. And that one displays yours well enough. https://gyazo.com/80e64bc0e459c04e83c17aa2a299f000 There goes. Miss Alabama from that clip is Einstein compared to you based on the depth of your thought.
Yeah its a bit embarassing actually, but i work night shift (at the time of chat, too) thats why i was there for 10 hours lol.
But I knew, from the first time that i defended her, that you guys would try to bully me the same way as you do her, no surprise there obviously. Its just basic bigot mentality.
Being honest, Its actually funny that you are right now dissing me for not wanting to straight up call you a miserable piece of shit on the spot.
^Don't mind me I'm not a bully I just love when SayingPleaseHelps just insults everyone for no reason. I still don't understand how he got this chat log O_O
Ur main account is level 0 and has 17 friends? Ok bud if you say so
@OP
Except they showed up with accusations of previous content here being pointless slurslinging. Which implies they read at least some of it. And failed to recognise what's actually going on. Therefore incapable of reading comprehension. Stop confusing observations with insults.
are you trying to suggest that what you're doing isn't pointless shitslinging?
That is not a suggestion. Why are people so bad at reading these days! Fucking clip mentality and ADD acceptance. If you were capable of reading and were inquisitive enough to read this thread back a bit you would have discovered that I'm using this to practice my English. That is the reason behind the overly loquacious verbiage and the varying (to the extent of my ability) insults. OP provides a nice target because they are extremely stubborn in maintaining the same false disposition which is a perfect opportunity for me to test the limits of my vocabulary and persistence in coming up with various ways to formulate the counterpoints.
And the OP is very much getting something out of this as well. I'm no telepath, so I have no idea whether it is attention, sense of righteous indignation, illusion of owning some monkeys (even though you and they are proven to be monkeys yourselves), maybe they are testing some of their social skills in uncomfotable conversations, who knows. It is clear though that
(sry dunno how to embed quotes within quotes) OP is well aware of their possibilites and still chooses to answer my posts of their own free will.@OP
Here's a great idea: not everyone is a native English speaker. So let me, a non-native English speaker, remind you, a supposedly native English speaker that definitions exist for a reason and if you check the definition for "loquacious" you will find the exact description of my modus operandi here: going to unnecessary lenghts and piling excessive heaps of words on top of each other to explain quite simple concepts that reqiure none of it.
I have no idea what words I've said here were in any way Obscure and I have no idea why you keep taking variations of the same obervations (not insults) to heart if you are intent on not changing your actual behaviour, but guess who does it make look stupid? Here's another idea, btw: If I view you as excessively inept on the basis of your behaviour here and you view me as stupid on the very same basis, does that mean that we both win our perceived versions of the argument simultaneously? That's some synergy right there.
Most ppl would have admitted that they were wrong about initial evaluation of their skillset and moved on to learning to lie better, but since you didn't, the core problem I have with your stance remains the same. And the core arguments I'm making are the same, only slightly varied in presentation. Which is perfect for my goal of maintaining my grip on vocabulary and grammar (and being a dick).
I mean, for real how do you
when I justAnd
should probably be adressed to the oversensitive on behalf of others censorious account, considering I'm making the exact same argument on the matter.Actually English isnt my mother tongue, but i was born in the UK and have live here all my life so im basically a native speaker.
And yes these words are obscure. Nobody talks like that in everyday speech and dont pretend anything otherwise. These are words I would use in a academic document or dissertation, not in an internet argument.
Congrats on writing a post that seems actually thought provoking though I will give you credit for that. At least you arent completely brainless.
The fact that Ive climbed most of the way to 2k is more than enough proof that I was somewhat correct in what I initially wrote. If I was a true 1k shitter I would still he struggling at 900 mmr like I did when I wrote this thread but that isnt the case.
Well, there is no denying that your lasthitting in free or weakly contested lane is above what is expected from 1ks, however in your OP you state that you are on the 3k+ level with a bunch of questionable arguments and that is still as wrong as it was on day one. Congrats on almost making it to 2k, you could have been doing it a lot faster though with just a bit of an attitude change. The kind I just seemingly made.
That's enough of being serious for one day. Back to being a dick it is!
But then smurfs/boosters wouldnt exist.There is a reason why 3-4k players can go on huge streaks and consistently win games in 1k but you can't
So you're being an asshole for your own benefit. I'd say thats quite interesting but doesn't make you any less of an asshole.
And honestly "3k level" of lasthitting is garbage, and she has that already, but "vhs level" is where its at and she is lacking in that departament.
Getting below 10cs/min as a carry in these games is not something i would myself tolerate if I was playing in 1-3k mmr.
1k is harder than 3k
HI MY CHILDREN BEFORE THEY LOCK THE POST, REMEMBER I HAD MY PART OF LONGUEST AND MOST ACTIVE THREAD OF THIS FORUM.
@エイミーの亡霊: TBH, this is one of the most active thread in the forum and a forum needs activity. Your action is against the forum activity. By your action, you are trying to make this forum less active and the community less likely to make it live.
Your thread "so much hate on girls who play dota" is an invitation for sexist people to express publicly their hate against a given gender (we can see it in the comments) and, hence, should have been locked from the beginning. Wanna play SJW, we can play SJW !
In your matches as you are matched up with noobs on your smurf, yes. You talk about VHS but I don't see any VHS game in your history.
6k is harder than 8k i always get noob team plz help i aem done guysa
by "3k level" i mean the average lasthits a 3k carry would have, which is around 5-7cs/min - OP gets this every game, pretty much showing that her skills aren't below 3k.
by "VHS level" i mean the average lasthits a 4/5k+ carry would have, being 9-12cs/min - something I do not see OP being consistent at.
Hope that clears things up - i don't need to be playing in VHS myself in order to know how much farm proper carries tend to have, watching some streams and replays, even having played in VHS on other accounts is enough.
YOU FUCKED MY WIFE's own match history verifies my statements - his Immortal carry friend manages a consistent 9cs/min whereas he himself, being a comparatively insignificant carry player, barely every goes beyond 7cs/min.
^You are so right, the number of CS per minute is the only thing that determines skill.
What about those cancer lanes that just zone you ?
What about this supp that gets your last hits on purpose with spells and doesn't zone neither pull & stack ?
What about these 4 ennemies minute 4 that come just to destroy your game minute 4 ?
What about those ennemies support that sentry to block your camps ?
[...]
=> Macro is nothing, micro is nothing, theorycrafting is nothing, drafting is bad, hero pool versatility is bad, etc...
What about supports in VHS ? do they get 9-12cs/min ?
And about my friend, you are missing one point: we get him all the space of the universe, we commit a lot on securing his lane, we stack ancients on the given picks, we hold 4v5 early fights[...].
Man he even steals the last hits on the camps our pos2 was farming which is likely to tilt random players in pubs.
=> How do you expect him to get an average pub CS with all this commitment ?
Anyway, no wonders you are still legend 5 farming simulator boy. Keep on farming while your team gets rekt then flame them.
You seem to think I'm suggesting that I am a 5k player or something? Maybe I will be, maybe not.
i mean, the difference is that you enable your immortal boi in your 4-5k average matches, noone enables me in 3k, yet we farm at the same rate.
of course, thats because 3ks have no clue how to stop a carry from farming (best they can do is harass in the lane, but i just outplay them and kill them or farm jungle if not possible), but at the same time they don't help either (well, they do, but not knowingly). An actual 3k carry player isn't going to abuse the fact that enemy doesnt know how to stop him, and hes not going to get proper cs , all because he doesnt actually know how to farm - which is probably what makes him a hardstuck 3k.
Just saying, i didn't just check one game - i checked multiple, and my statement holds true. Yes, your immortal boi averages nearly double the cs/min compared to you, even in soloq games where he doesnt have 4 premades sucking him off. In average, playing pos1, between 7 and 11, 7 being slow-farming fighting-build heroes such as faceless void and 10+ being antimage and other fast farming cores (to be expected - same in my case and im sure its same for all carry players).
However don't think I'm flaming you here - you are neither immortal nor a carry player (in fact, i struggled to find enough samples becaue you barely ever play carry) so your apparent incompetence is easily excused by you playing off-role or above your rank.
If you were an ancient3 carry player, not getting 7-10 cs/min in every game possible, i'd say you're straight up eloboosted - but you're obviously a support/offlaner.
Fair enough, got tilted but i shouldn't have :D But man this passive aggressive 2nd part of the sentence RJFKEJKFJHEFEHHSWKE. :D
That's the thing where we don't share the same experience. IDK if the matchmaking takes the number of games in account (that's my main), but I've seen a lot of hate on the carry either to stop the snowball or to just shut him down.
One asset you have to insure your CS/min in your recent matches (lets be kind), is that you play antimage which has an amazing escape and hence is hard to shutdown without decent CC lockdown (not even talking about the new spell shield for this b***ch bane).
It's the pos1 in general that we "suck off" to use your words, whether it's him or not. When he goes mid, he is the same cancer that steals our pos1 farms sometimes (true story) and with which we have to play 4v5 because he is at the other corner of the map keeping his CS/min stats.
If I make a smurf, I don't drink and play serious I get ancient at least so no, my level is legit. You forget like 90% aspects of dota with your statement (drafting, execution, etc...).
Edit: Chill out on the passive aggressive btw as you might fail a job interview one day because of this :D
Edit2: BTW I'm not a "carry" player nor an "offlane/support" role. I adapt to my team's need and the ennemy draft.
The moron even says shit like this:
Would you trust a single word coming out of such an ingnorant mouth? No attention is given towards the average game length as well.Regarding 3k, of course everyone is hating on the carry, but I, having been schooled by the master Cookie, like Vertoxity here, have learned how to deal with their half-assed aggression. 3ks don't think about what's gonna happen next, they rotate for me with TPs, i run away and push the opposite lane and they usually either look for a play where they failed to gank me (in which case i take objectives in my lonesome) or they run all the way towards me for me to run away again - too much focus on the carry is their downfall - even if they have a functional counter as a way to deal with a farmed carry, its usually underfarmed by trying to pressure the carry at improper times that the carry goes out of control and their only real answer is not there to perform.
I'm not suggesting that you're above your real rank - simply that your carry game might not be adequate. As you yourself know and said - there is more to dota than just farm, and while farm is usually what defines a good carry, there are other roles that you seem to be better at.
And yes, I'm abusing anti-mage because I think he is extremely strong, borderline-undealwithable(not a real word, i know) in low rank.
Besides, i enjoy playing anti-mage.
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Faceless void is definitely not the fastest farming core simply because his chronosphere is such a high kill threat that he doesn't want to push lanes with it available (which he uses to transition into kills, obviously - sort of like slark).
Could you provide the matchID for when i failed to account for game length? I said there were some exceptions but the general average remains the same. Of course it's not correct to judge the cs/min of a carry in a 20 minute game and the same carry in a 50 minute game as one and the same - but honestly i can't be bothered to make such a complex analysis for something as trivial as this.
Are you suggesting its somehow my fault i stomped my calibration and got an inflated medal as a result?
^ The reflex to go somewhere else is good in most case but sometimes you could do the small difference to win the fight (all ennemies low hp and no kills taken), your team will most probably flame you (they translate this into snowball and then no more space and no map control to farm).
In some games, letting this Earthshaker finish his blink (let's say 400g) by letting him get some of your farms (not all) if you are online already (i.e. diffu PL) is worthier game-wise and team-wise. A well-landed Echo Slam does a big difference in a teamfight whereas the ultimate orb you just finished a small one.
The thing I'm trying to highlight is that CS is part of the equation but there are many other factors.
Edit(didn't see your edit): Keep an eye on this hungry BM LC before you get your manta while you split as Magina and ask your supp to give you wards that you'll place according to where you want to split. You know what I'm talking about :)
I agree, though I feel a bit offended that you'd think I don't know this already. Cheers.
Usually the 'go another lane' aspect is used when splitpushing though, which on its own indicates that the team is not there to back you up - a fight usually not possible.
And yeah - against LC i'm going linkens before manta :v
Your previous statements could be misinterpretated as CS/min and farms are the only thing that define a good/bad carry :)
If it's about the LC advice, I used to eat maginas for breakfast so just reminding this :)
Not the only part yeah, just saying that if you took 100 game samples from an Immortal and from a Legend and averaged the stats, I'm sure the cs/min difference (hero and building damage, as well - also damage taken, in most cases, too) would be more than noticable despite 3k being a literal farm-fest.
Watching BSJ stream, hes farming 10 cs/min on Terrorblade, and his dota+ shows him as having below average cs/min
P.S.: Been eaten for breakfast, can confirm.
^This comparison is true as Immortals optimize all their "routing" (i.e. taking the farms while going to a place), the jungle usage (cutting trees to stack while doing a camp, pulling several camps to splitshot dusa, etc...) and, usually, high-bracket supports (if it's not a frustrated carry that lost the /roll) actually zone the offlaner(s) and don't steal the farms.
This scenario applies if your team is not getting rolled over and the ennemies don't come for you T3 minute 8 while your T1 is still up xD
I play in the 3k bracket and i rarely see what you call a farm fest. Ofcourse a immortal player gonna have better stats than a 3k player they are better at every aspect of the game.
Around 500-650gpm is normal for a carry in my games and i assume "farm fest" would be 800-900gpm every game. That kind of number is hard in a 2-1-2 meta and much more one sided games than before.
MAN I GET 3 ARCANE BOLT IN THE FACE FOR 1 CS GET ME OUT OF THIS GAME PLEASE. WAND + RAINDROP IS NOT ENOUGH.
@varjager that's because, and I mean no offense, you're an actual 3k player.
Check a smurf playing in 3k and you will see they don't usually fall below 700gpm. Like, even I average 640, and I only have 54% winrate (i dont think I count as a smurf tbh).
And honestly, that 700 is from a rough lane. If i get a freefarm lane on antimage (1/10 games lol), i feel disappointed if i don't reach 1k gpm.
Though, that said, there's a HUGE difference between 3k flat and 3.8k in example. I wouldn't even be surprised if i never reach 4k - at some point i will probably tilt and spiral downwards.
What ive read in the posts before no one said anything about smurfs. Why even mention smurfs, ofcourse a smurf gonna have excellent performence when they play against lower skilled players.
This entire thread is basically about carrying lower skill players than yourself, just sayin
If a smurf can do it, why can't you? He doesn't have super powers.
This thread is about alot of things it. I have never said i cant improve as a player and i have never complained about my current mmr. This thread is not about me.
That was sort of a rhetorical question, not targeted at you. Sorry if it seemed that way.
There hasn't been any trashtalking on Violet for more than 10 comments.... Strange.
Im just here to follow her progress, its the internet, people are fairly anonymous, they gonna talk trash.
^Sorry didn't want to mean you trashtalk, was just reacting to what this topic "became about".
To come back to the topic, her last games in low prio I presume are a good example of 1k gaming: losing as high skill cap pick like invoker to a leshrac which is low skillcap.
"i landed all my combo and i still die? you guys are hacking right?" XDDDDDD I guess she was drunk.
how is losing with a high skill floor hero such as invoker against a simple hero such as lesh '1k gaming'?
not trying to defend her dieing lots of times as invoker but still thats kind of a weird thing to say
Because invoker is supposed to shit on leshrac:
- You outrange him
- You can sustain his 3rd spell with quas alternance (and stack wand charges) while you don't last hit/deny
- you can cancel his long ass cast animation with cold snap, you can deny the runes with golem
- you can reduce a lot Edict damages by sharing its aggro with golems (summon it after his E or put it out of range from stun + E to then bring it to share aggro you can even split it into cold snap then auto attack with golem to cancel cast animation)
- you have better auto attack damages with Exort, [...]
Those mechanics are basics (microing one creep, doing one spell) that someone that doesn't play invoker can apply and we didn't highlight the snap nado meteor sumiya.combo.
Do you agree that microing one creep and using one spell is supposed to be possible by a 1k+ player ?
You also need to do these all pretty much perfectly, or due to the vast difference in movement speed between lesh and invoker* , invoker straight up dies or barely survives with invisibily any time lesh successfully goes on him - lesh threatens to kill the q/e invoker by simply casting lightning on him* and know how to skillbuild for the situation*.
So basically, i would stand by my point that you need to be an invoker player, or at least have extensive knowledge of both heroes to go even or win against a competent leshrac.
*1 - if one was to follow your suggested quas-exort build
*2 - if invoker does not have cold snap or tornado already invoked, it should be really difficult for a not-so-experienced invoker player to effectively interrupt leshrac stuns cast animation. you basically need to be prepared to tornado or coldsnap the leshrac the moment he casts his lightning, which is not something inexperienced invokers would figure out at a moments notice (they'd need to plan the lane beforehand, which is something Violet could likely improve on)
*3 - basically youd want to go quas wex in this matchup to tornado him better and not straight up die any time he lightnings you when you dont have coldsnap invoked due to movementspeed, but then you lose kill and cs potential that exort offers - so you end up in a conflicting situation and you need to base the skill build based on how the lane is going and what supports the teams have.
I disadvice it as you give up the extra damages to lh/deny for sure, you renounce on golem to share the aggro from edict, you need at least quas lvl 3 - 4 to be sure to land the EMP (to gain like 0.5 sec) => Nado => snap combo and leshrac ulti still goes on while he is cycloned. After it's my opinion...
I don't know if nado purges edict though...
as i said, its a conflicting situation. if you go quas wex you will suck at denies and lasthits as well as do low damage and have no golem, if you go quas exort you will be at risk of dieing any time he casts lightning on you when you dont have coldsnap/tornado ready (coldsnap cd is 20 sec, lightning cd is 4 sec, btw).
reading some reddit thread about invoker vs leshrac matchup, exort build is greatly favored if you seek to win the lane. So im not going to argue about it, im not an invoker player.
^I guess we can argue for ages but, in both cases, invoker is supposed to handle leshrac defensively (q/w) or offensively(q/e).
Edit: Yes you clearly outdeny/out last hit him, you destroy his runes (hence his mana regen) and with sunstrike you see half his hp go down.
@ riki smoke screen retard
The fact that it may require a complex analysis makes it very much non-trivial. Of course you would have known that were you to possess any cognitive ability. Some ppl here have made lengthy analytical posts nitpicking every little detail on smth. You, on the other hand, seem eager to throw bullshit statements around yet unwilling to actually back em up with "complex analysis". Does wonders for your credibility.No, I'm suggesting you should start posting from your main because there is another explanation for this discrepancy - you got boosted to legend by someone else. Does wonders for your credibility. Are you a legit retard? I mean the "chat logs" confirmed that, but still. No support smurf has 700 avg gpm and yet they still can have 70%+ winrate. Do you not recognise that you can climb as a support? Does wonders for your credibility.
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Wat? Lesh core simple hero. Sure mate. DOES WONDERS FOR YOUR CREDIBILITY.^Man I missed you, I tried to give you an opening with:
Except landing a 1.05 sec (cast point + delay) stun, using edict when your target will get all explosions, mana management on ulti and bounces management on the lightning, what do you find complex on this pick ?
This is my main now, lol, i quit all my other accounts because i abandoned into low priority and F behaviour score.
I actually feel really bad about not having a proper main, most of my accounts are tainted by cookie smurfing on them or just being thrown away and then picked back up after i improved.
And then i quit dota for almost a year, to then return on this account.
Feel free to examine my match history, only boosting done here was by me.
Okay, if i must i shall clarify - no position 1 smurf in 3k would normally fall below 700gpm in a match longer than 25 minutes. I just thought it was obvious as we were conversing about the carry role at the moment.
The amount of data i actually analyzed for my statement was limited, like up to 15 games in total, but aside from a few stompy 20min losses, it was all more or less correct (being an active user of the human brain, i check the cs of cores in most games i spectate or play, so i naturally remember and am able to make an estimate which was then proven correct by my limited sample analysis). Feel free to do your own analysis on the average cs/min stats of 3k and 5k+ players, attempting to prove me wrong.
But considering the fact that you're just nitpicking and trolling I really doubt you will do that.
Anyway jokes on you, I'm practicing my english as well.
Was gonna ask what chatlogs, but you're talking about the direct messages between me and OP? I really thought you actually had something embarrassing on me for a moment.
@ Venomous undead
Oh, don't you worry, I did examine your match history and the only hero you do get 10+ cs/min is antimage. When you get babysat. Sometimes by a proper trilane.
You do not at all: creep aggro, check minimap, adjust camera position, prime ls/denies, tread switch (on a fucking antimage), pressure objectives to force rotations (on a fucking antimage), adjust itembuilds, capitalise on item timings.
You do: have a decent APM, move a lot in lane, put pressure on your lane opponents when they are weak, sometimes backpack items for regen efficiency, sometimes check the map when you are dead.
You also do deliberately avoid joining fights in favor of getting raxes when the enemy can defend megas forever and pick jungle jugg coz fuck the team I guess. You are OPs mental doppleganger without a doubt, just somewhat better at the game.
I mean for real, saying they are embarassing does not even start describing the worthlessness of mental capacity on display there. And that one displays yours well enough. https://gyazo.com/80e64bc0e459c04e83c17aa2a299f000There goes. Miss Alabama from that clip is Einstein compared to you based on the depth of your thought.
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Wut wut those chat logs are so embarassing
Yeah its a bit embarassing actually, but i work night shift (at the time of chat, too) thats why i was there for 10 hours lol.
But I knew, from the first time that i defended her, that you guys would try to bully me the same way as you do her, no surprise there obviously. Its just basic bigot mentality.
Being honest, Its actually funny that you are right now dissing me for not wanting to straight up call you a miserable piece of shit on the spot.
^Don't mind me I'm not a bully I just love when SayingPleaseHelps just insults everyone for no reason. I still don't understand how he got this chat log O_O
And hes just either lieing or has a serious case of selective recollection, by the way.
Violet posted this chat log herself, not sure why though.
Btw you can shut the fuck up, youre as much of a bully as he is if you find it funny.