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Shou

    Ideas?
    Ive been thinking arcanes > mek > forcestaff/blink > greaves > hurricane pike > bkb/octarine/linkens/shivas/lotus/blademail

    meteor hammer

      treads are good too

      his build is situational. sometimes blademail after mek is optimal. sometimes you want lv1 dagon at some point, or blink. some games you absolutely need force staff

      Potato Marshal

        Hurricane pike is kind of useless. I was never a fan of treads on Necro, even before guardian greaves existed, I always just had brown boots or arcanes to disassemble later. Aghs is still really good, even without the bonus damage, cooldown goes down to 25 seconds. Pipe is good too depending on the enemy lineup. Atos could be good too depending on the situation.

        Riguma Borusu

          ^actually, hurricane pike is kinda good because it tanks you up a bit, gives you additional utility and more importantly LOWERS THE COOLDOWN on force staff, and since necro likes prolonged fights, this lets you use it more than once which is super nice

          but you don't rush it by any means, you just get it when you need your force staff but are out of options to upgrade stuff, or when it's exactly the item you need

          meteor hammer

            treads gives you way more value out of all ur spells and items its pretty simple

            Hopeless

              blademail

              Shou

                I say blademail cuz when u activate ghose shroud u can use blademail too to dissuade people from bursting u. Hood also works there.

                Shou

                  And of course the order and exact items r variable depending on game i thought we cud figure that much, i did forget pipe tho.

                  Shou

                    Veil is also good to make up for death pulse dmg nerf and lack of aghs for more ulti dmg

                    Shou

                      What lane wud u put necrophos in? Tbh that has always been my biggest question and ive ran him as safelaner, mid, and offlaner before. And ive never lost so it hasnt rlly solved my problem.

                      Wrath

                        Badman always go with treads > blink > agh > situational build and doing fairly well with it having 61% winrate patch 7.00
                        https://www.dotabuff.com/players/91735466/matches?date=patch_7.00&hero=necrophos
                        safelane or midlane

                        twitch.tv/r1zkydota

                          He can go at any lane like timbersaw
                          Guess your lane depends on your team and enemies' composition after all

                          meteor hammer

                            mid

                            Shou

                              Offlane necro wins in ns but i can easily see higher skill players punishing it. In my skill level kill potential is something most people cant judge well, so u end up sitting in lane while they slowly run out of regen and u dont do a thing.

                              Potato Marshal

                                Old Necro was terrible as an offlane because the enemy could just wrap around and kill you since all you could do was pop a death pulse, or at most 2 while slowly running away. Old necro had no survivability or escape in the early laning stages, even his movement speed and hp were terrible.

                                The new Necro however seems like an excellent offlane with ghost shroud, it's a better ghost scepter that slows and increases healing and mana regen.

                                M u r d e r

                                  brown boots -> dagon 5

                                  Shou

                                    Yo oracle + necro for the fates edict + ghost shroud int greaves for 4x health and mana lol

                                    Potato Marshal

                                      I really think arcanes is the way to go with Necro now, and not just because of ghost shroud's mana cost. The passive component of death pulse surprisingly heals more hp than the old sadist, but the mana boost is severely nerfed from 72 mana per kill to 49.

                                      meteor hammer

                                        buy a wand

                                        if you have mana issues you are playing badly

                                        Chadzpyre

                                          treads for sure. get the +40 dmg thing at lvl 10 and the attack speed give a ton of dmg.

                                          meteor hammer

                                            int treads -> mek wand pulse -> str treads = full hp

                                            Shou

                                              Lol gotta learn tread switching tho. Time to learn with am? Who r good tread switching heroes

                                              meteor hammer

                                                AM

                                                luna

                                                sven

                                                morphling

                                                slark

                                                twitch.tv/r1zkydota

                                                  Slark for sure is the best for learning
                                                  Gotta start with the most tiring one eyy

                                                  Shou

                                                    U cast pact on int, take dmg on str, and the switch back to agi right?

                                                    meteor hammer

                                                      agi if ur farming or freely hitting, str if you know ur going to eat nukes

                                                      Potato Marshal

                                                        Don't bother switching to str when using dark pact, if you're fighting, you should be switching to agi right after int to right click the enemy. If you're escaping, then you'll just heal up instantly from your passive.

                                                        Sozo (BEING IMPERSONATED)

                                                          Lotus orb is a nice situational pickup on Necro. The purge can be very game-changing along with the durability that the armor provides.

                                                          meteor hammer

                                                            what

                                                            you switch to str every time before lvl 12 when ur farming helloooooooo

                                                            Potato Marshal

                                                              You'll just heal back all the damage you lost from not tread switching in like 1 second.

                                                              meteor hammer

                                                                not before lv 2 ult unless you spend a lot of time not farming

                                                                Chadzpyre

                                                                  alright i think the item build is wind lace->wand->treads->blink->ags.

                                                                  personally i like blademail on this hero as well, its gives 32 dmg to autos, but i dont know if its worth delaying blink.

                                                                  this hero is so much more fun to play now honestly

                                                                  M U R D E R

                                                                    Dagon is better than it used to be. Basically with dagon oc and agh you can secure a reapers scythe kill every 17 seconds.

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                                                                    M U R D E R

                                                                      Also silver edge is amazing vs huskar am viper and shit

                                                                      evy

                                                                        But the thing is, you can't instantly kill AM without having extra lockdown, unless you're trying to gank him properly (which rarely happens lul) maybe hex before SE?

                                                                        Rain

                                                                          @Daddy Shadow fiend is the best hero to learn tread switching since its so crucial on him

                                                                          int for razes, agi for right-click, str wen eating nukes

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