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General Discussionlook how hard 500 mmr average is

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    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/384195607

    when i play dota 2, it makes me want to hurt myself

    kowareta

      so stop it :) simple :) i dont know what is wrong with u low mmr ppl!

      on my 2k smurf, i saw a shaman who run into sandking sandstorm and just died, i saw a spectre who used ult to kill sandking with no detection and he died into sandstorm too (he even hadnt radi or blademail its just mind blowing) , i saw a guy had sentry in his bag and 20 sec time to put sentry :) but he didnt and he just ran into sandstorm and died :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      all of them , blamed each other on chat too :)))))))))))))))

      my smurf acc was guardian last season and behavior score lower than u!
      i just played 20-30 games, and now its crusader 4
      its not a big deal, half of the games i picked shit heroes or trolls and still i won the game (i dont know how :/ )
      if u are another shaman who run into sandstorm and after that using mic and blame his teammates, well just quit the game :)

      Azanulbizar

        Just watched the first few minutes until u killed ogre.
        Man this isn't hard at all. Just improve your skills. It hurts my eyes watching you.
        There is no attackmoving, no minimap controll, no denys, autoattacking creeps and generell no sense of creep equilibrium.

        With your amount of games you should start to improve that skills and you will raise easily!

        twitch.tv/afeect

          lmao

          Crimson Sky

            There is many things you can do to improve. I am lowly 2.7k and know nothing compared to most people however my best advise is as follows:

            Prioritise last hitting -> Makes you get items quicker and able to out damage / out harass your enemy from lane. If you play melee hero then buy a quelling blade (Only buy it as starter item if mid which you did not, otherwise buy it from side shop).

            Void is kinda situational and chronosphere can be hard to execute correctly especially in big teamfight. If you like melee hero try something like Jugg. His attack animation makes it easy to last hit.

            But seriously, go to bot games or go to turbo and prioritise learning to last hit, you should have minimum 50 by 10 minutes. Better to have ike 70-80. In your bracket ignore team mates, mute everyone including yourself. Focus only on farm. Push towers (no one will come defend) and generally avoid fighting unless you can get easy pickoff. By minute 20 you will be 3-4 levels and 2 items ahead of everyone else who been scrapping for mid the whole time and you can win the game.

            '96 Neve Campbell

              Uh so I gave this a good watch cause I was bored at work and its pretty scary stuff. Wrote down a bunch of stuff that caught my eye. I'm not exactly an immortal or anything but I have climbed about 1500mmr in the past 6 months so I sure know how to escape this bracket...
              - Firstly you set yourself up to fail at the start. You pick Void mid which is a strange pick. Looking at their lineup it would be reasonable to presume that either the Bloodseeker or the Zeus would be mid, both of these heros destroy void mid. You got very lucky that for some reason Ogre was mid but I guess that is the nature of the bracket.
              - Your starting items, whilst perfect for the safe lane, are not the best choices for mid. You want to maximise the amount of damage you have from the start in the mid lane so ideally you should start off with stats. If I were you I would have presumed the zues was mid so I would definitely have not built stout shield because he does not right click to harass but whatever. Usually its not a great idea to start with a quelling blade but since you are a mid melee core its basically a must have item. You should ask your team for tangoes instead of buying them yourself.
              - At the start of the game you position yourself within your base meaning you miss your block. If you do not creep block your mid lane then you are setting yourself up for failure yet again.
              - From the very start you are idle in lane. You do not check ogres items or determine if you should harrass them, instead you auto-attack the creeps like a passive bot which results in just 1 last hit from the first wave which is abysmal.
              - At around 1 minute in you allow this ogre to hit you and do damage with no response, then you choose to trade with him even though a trade would often be unfavorable here. Fortunately for you this ogre is literally one of the most useless players ive ever seen and loses the trade anyway by being greedy.
              - Your first kill on Ogre kind of demonstrates how poor this bracket is. Both just smacking eachother until death ontop of a creep wave...
              - You really need to work on your last hitting and denying! It is alarming how you only have 3 last hits as a midlaner almost 2 minutes in! You should have around 6 or 7 at least by this stage! Also denying is very important since xp is crucial in the midlane, and you have made very little effort to deny anything at this stage.
              - You do not attract creep agro at all in this lane which would help secure last hits against another melee hero.
              - At 2 minutes Mirana rotates to your lane but you dont seem to realise this...
              - The way you access the shop 4 minutes in is bizarre. Instead of just using a hotkey to open the shop or even clicking the button in the bottom right you choose to waste alot of time by literally clicking the shopkeeper! Also you should learn to queue your items using shift-right click to quick buy instead of manually buying your items when you have the gold for them.
              - Your early item choices arent great. Whilst treads and MoM are standard on void you should be getting stats early and you really need boots to help run down enemies instead of the gloves of haste.
              - 5.30 why do you turn here?! Techies is practically dead but you dont commit to him and you lose the xp from the kill as a result.
              - You have a teleport but choose to walk between lanes and you dont use your time walk once which is actually a useful way of crossing distances in shorter time.
              - I know its personal preference but your hotkeys are really weird! Surely its easier just to bind your abilties to QWER instead of having them bound to various random keys all over the place.
              - Always use hotkeys! Why do you click teleport manually? It wastes time and whilst it doesnt seem like a big deal it will add up over the course of the match...
              - 9 minutes in is pretty poor. They have a bloodseeker and a zeus yet you choose to remain in lane with low hp. Being on low hp gives the bloodseeker much more attack speed so he will be farming much faster because you are on low hp, and zeus can easily kill you with his ult or his lightning bolt which he does as is expected.
              - The first 10 minutes have kinda shown that 500mmr average is super easy and the main reason its hard for you is because of your low skill set im afraid... The other team is also very poor, especially the ogre who rushes a naked midas with no boots or stats or anything.
              - Finally 10m in you actually queue your next items. Again your item choices are strange. They have a chaos knight so maelstrom would be a far better item than battle fury for farming. Ontop of MoM you will be able to farm just as fast with it and its 2000 gold less.
              - You proceed to farm ancients but the midlane is empty and the enemy heros are showing on the map so you can easily farm this lane safely which yields more gold than anything in the jungle.
              - As the midlaner you should lead your team. At this 10 minute stage the enemy team is pushing the botlane close to you. There can only be 2 heros there max based on your map information and its unlikely the enemy has wards, so you should be looking to punish them for diving but instead you bide your time and farm the jungle.
              - It is now 12 minutes in and you only have about half the last hits that a core should typically have at this time.
              - Despite having the short cooldown from max time walk you still dont use it in order to maximise your faming efficiency. 12:03 is a prime example of where you could have saved several seconds by time walking across the high ground to that camp instead of walking up the stairs.
              - You waste money on a recipe for battle fury when you could have saved that money to reduce the time it takes you to get MoM which would speed up the rate at which you farm the jungle.
              - All the time you are not carrying a tp or checking the map for fights. You should be looking for early fights with your chrono. Your team has exceptional early pick-off potential with the spirit breaker, pudge and mirana yet you do not seem interested in setting up these fights.
              - I like that you are at least tread switching when you are casting your abiltiies, but I am not sure why you yet again waste money (this time on raindrops) when you can negate most magic damage done to you with your time walk.
              - The kill you get on Zeus in the 15th minute is further confirmation how easy this game is. On paper their Zeus is the best player on their team, at this at this stage. Yet he blindly walks through your lane like a braindead zombie. I dont know if this is because he has a peanut for a brain or because he was lagging or what but you correctly take advantage of this. I am not sure why you cast Chrono though since the Zeus was practically dead anyway.
              - Honestly you need to tell your team to buy wards and if they dont then you need to buy them for yourself. The map is completely dark at this stage and the other team have heroes which are countered by vision, particularly the techies which is a really easy kill for your entire team.
              - Between 16-18 minutes you make the correct decision to push this wave out. Normally it would be dangerous to do so given your lack of vision but fortunately for you Radiant were far more interested in your teammates who were diving the bot lane. Already it seems as if your team is incapable of grouping up since your Spirit breaker and Mirana chose to idle in the midlane instead of pushing with your Pudge and Omni (though this is probably the correct choice since pushing bot was suicide with the lack of vision).
              - For some reason you buy the full perseverance instead of the demon edge which would have sped up the rate at which you farm. Perseverance does not speed up the rate you farm, at least not enough to ever justify buying it before demon edge. The HP regen can be useful on cores which dont build lifesteal but you already have a MoM so you do not need this regen.
              - Im not sure if you asked your teammates to buy wards and they refused? This is an excessive amount of wards for a carry to buy. If you are really pressed for vision then usually two well placed observers are enough to gain information on the map at this bracket. Buying 6 wards whilst you are farming an important item such as a battle fury seems wasteful, especially against a Zeus who can deward.
              - The chrono is well placed and you make the correct decision to kill the Zeus and then disengage, however it was somewhat reckless to do so since you did not know the position of the Chaos Knight which can easily pull you out of your chrono, though I think I would have done something similar in this fight, it would probably have been fruitful to wait some time to have a better read on the situation before dropping your ult.
              - You seem to just be dropping sentries in random locations. Usually it is best to place sentries when you are sure the enemy has vision in an area. If you are concerned about being jumped by invis then it is best to leave observers on the sentries since sentries alone wont allow you to detect invis heros before they are right ontop of you.
              - At 19.15 you quite blatantly see that the bloodseeker is in your jungle yet you do not react to it. I'm not sure whats worse, the possibility that you somehow did not sport the blood rite, or the fact that you choose not to even ping it out or react.
              - You are planting bad wards. The ward spots closest to your ancient are what I think of as 'loss wards'. They massively reduce the amount of information your team has and force your team to play around them reducing the amount of space your team has to farm since you lack vision beyond your tier 2 towers. NEVER plant wards this defensively unless you are stuck inside your base. I havent even seen evidence that the radiant team has pushed far enough across the river to even reach the area of the map covered by this ward. In my opinion this is where you begin to lose. These wards always force teams to play a defensive losing game whenever they are placed and it absolutely the worst mistake you can make when placing wards.
              - You continue to push onwards care-free despite the fact that the Chaos Knight and the Ogre seem to be solo in your bottom jungle. If you had rotated to your bottom shrine these would have been fairly simple kills with the backing of your team.
              - At 20:40 you blindly collect the rune and walk past the techies who you either fail to spot or choose not to react to them despite them being a really easy kill for a void, not that it matters because you would have died to this Ogre who punishes you for playing out of position close to the Radiant team.
              - 22:05 is pretty embarrassing. How you manage to get stuck on high ground is just a comical error that should never happen.
              - At this stage it is already too late for your battle fury to make an impact on the game. If you didnt waste money one wards, raindrops, recipes and the perseverance you could have easily have had this battle fury completed by the 15th minute with the amount of space Radiant have given you. The other team is equally as poor and havent capitalised on how completely non existant your teams map presence is. You definitely had the space and opportunity to get this battle fury far earlier.
              - You are already far behind in farm yet you choose to waste all your gold on buying sentries. At this point you are absolutely throwing the game for no good reason.
              - You have your ult at this stage in the game but instead of helping your teammates fight the radiant team you choose to auto pilot down the bot lane deep into radiants control area with no tp or vision, something which the Chaos Knight attempts to punish you for, fortunately for you the radiant team is too bad to rotate to their bot shrine to gank you, if they had you would likely be dead in this situation.
              - 23.40 Again, this is a reckless Chrono, you rush in and plant ontop of this techies without thinking about the situation or likelihood that the techies is baiting you into a mine trap. Then you procede to chase after the techies with no real thought as to whether or not he was luring you onto a stack of remote mines, you even have sentries on your hero which you can plant as you chase to confirm that the techies isnt trapping you, but you do not use them. You are lucky that this techies is too inept to set up mines in your jungle for this kind of situation since your entire team would have died if they did.
              - You then go and smack the creep wave and it takes you noticeable amount of time to respond the the Chaos Knight and the Ogre showing up late for this fight. You need to work on your map awareness. You then use your time walk offensively at the start of the fight despite the burst capability of the Ogre and the CK. Again you are lucky these people are 500mmr because you could easily have died in this situation.
              - You proceed to push to the enemy tower despite not knowing if techies has mines in this area. Again you have sentries which you do not plant until long after the techies could have blown you up.

              At this point I am already seeing that this game is lost. You have already wasted too much gold on pointless items and your team seem to somewhat clueless. This game is a 100% easily winnable game but if you continue playing in the manner you have been in the first 25 minutes then I do not see you winning this game. I am going back to my house now but I will have a look at the rest of the game when I am at home. Hopefully at least some of this was useful.

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              Kotato

                ^jesus, girl, aint noone gonna read it

                MuLLi

                  ^true had to skip. too LONG

                  '96 Neve Campbell

                    Im not expecting anyone to read it other than the OP tbh. Im just about to make part 2 for the rest of the game as well! :3 Its been a slow day lol

                    BSJ. LGD

                      I love cuki

                      kowareta

                        Im not expecting anyone to read it other than the OP tbh. Im just about to make part 2 for the rest of the game as well! :3 Its been a slow day lol

                        did u checked his profile? 5k match, no way u play 5k times a game and still being in the lowest rank e ver! he just only want to cry, im sure he wont even read this thread again :)
                        5k match picking void mid and babyraging in forums :)))

                        Kotato

                          ^babyraging is all that those players can do

                          eXcel

                            Hey pArmAvIOlEtS that was pretty good.

                            R8 my rod plz

                            DC.MASON

                              13:40

                              ventraltegmentum: !np

                              13:42

                              9kmmrbot: All Pick [674 avg MMR]: No other notable player found

                              JDF8

                                if i can go from 0002 to 5000 mmr in 430 games it’s definitely not possible to be stuck in 1k for 6000 games

                                KUKULAMIN KA BUT THE K IS...

                                  b0i dat shyt dank doe

                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                    Alrighty im home so here is the rest of the game. Ill try and keep it short and sweet lol

                                    - Right from the get go things continue along the same old crap. You waste so much time fighting this mirana for farm. I do not know if they are grieving you or just so bad at the game that they think their behaviour is acceptable, but at this stage you should really ignore them. You hit harder and faster than this mirana and if you are any good they arent going to be able to take any of these last hits. Failing that you should have just gone to your bottom jungle. Instead you waste time standing still to communicate and as a result fail to see the Radiant team rotation which punishes you for being distracted by your shitty teammates.
                                    - I would say buyback was probably the correct move here, though I think your team may have won this fight without your presence. You position the chrono relatively well and you make the correct choice to focus your damage on the Zeus. Well played though I think you should have used mask of madness during this chrono since it would have decreased your kill time on Zeus and enabled you to have killed this Chaos Knight faster though its only a minor problem.
                                    - At this point the amount of wards you are buying is losing the game. It has been several minutes since you built battle fury but you have gained no gold in this period since you bought back and wasted all ur other gold on wards. At this point it is pure self sabotage and I would report my carry if they bought wards like this. I think by this stage you have wasted about 4000 gold through lack of efficiency, buybacks and wards. You could easily have had this manta built by this stage, which would give u a far higher chance of winning this game than the possibility of spotting radiant with sentries and dying anyway because you dont have any escape other than your time walk.
                                    - You just killed their most important heros but instead of pushing mid with your team you decide to fuck around farming the top lane and getting distracted by the techies. At this stage you are lucky the techies is bad, you almost get killed by mines and instead of doing the rational thing and backing off you blindly time walk forwards to the small camp which could have had a stack of remote mines on it for all you know. The fact that you would play this recklessly just after buying back is astonishing to me.
                                    - You respond to Radiants invasion of your jungle far too late in the 28th minute. By this time they are already killing your teammates and forcing them to retreat. You then blindly hang around by the stairs with no vision of the high ground and you are actually very lucky not to get killed by the Chaos Knight as a result of this.
                                    - Honestly at this point you have spent so much time farming the jungle instead of pushing that you are basically where you should be in terms of last hits, yet you have completely crippled yourself buying wards and as a result have 18m farm almost half an hour into the game. This is why you are losing the game by the way. If you played properly you could have absolutely demolished the radiant side 1v5.
                                    - When you have a battle fury, try and minimise the amount of time it takes you to farm camps by focusing your damage on the largest creep in the camp. The small creeps behind it will die from the cleave damage before you kill the large creep. This almost halves the amount of time it takes you to farm camps in some situations.
                                    - 29.25 Again you plant this absolutely horrible ward which gives you practically no useful information about the other team. If you had planted this ward so that it watches the bounty rune you would perhaps be able to catch the enemy teams rotations in the far lefthand side of the map. This ward does absolutely nothing for your team.
                                    - IMO you could have acted faster in the 30th minute. Your ult was off cooldown and you could have took a fight with the Radiant ontop of your bot shrine instead of allowing their team to consolidate your bottom jungle. It is fortunate that this bloodseeker is a sub-human and just walks down mid for an easy pick-off kill instead. I am still seeing no evidence that this game is anything but an easy win btw.
                                    - After killing the Chaos Knight at 31:15 you stop farming the ancient camp before the main creep actually dies! That is 120 gold lost right there!
                                    - You have enough money to buy a manta style but instead of sending a courier out to the secret shop to collect the ultimate orb you instead choose to farm at a lower efficiency than you would have with the manta. You even proceed to walk right next to Radiant's secret shop without buying the orb, though this is probably for the best as you would have died if you had attempted this.
                                    - By the time you buy the manta a full 2 minutes has passed from the time you could have afforded to buy it.
                                    - In the 34th minute you are incredibly lucky not to get killed for your reckless play here. You dive in and plop down a chrono without really evaluating the situation, whilst it does pay off in the end you could very easily have died to the Ogre had they been in position during this move.
                                    - Your treads have been on strength exclusively since you bought manta, which is the most useless stat to set your treads too as a void.
                                    - Again, their most important heros are dead but you opt to fuck around farming instead of pushing the botlane with your spirit breaker.
                                    - The way you have to search for aghs is kinda funny, and imo aghs really isnt the correct item choice here. You could have built a bkb or a damage item such as a Skadi or a MKB. Whilst its not a terrible item choice i think there are higher impact items you could have gone for here. I am still of the opinion that you should have got a Mjollnir to better control the Chaos Knight as well.
                                    - 37m is the first useful ward you have placed in the game after god knows how many.
                                    - The chrono on Chaos Knight, whilst ambitious, highlights why you shouldnt have built Aghs. What use is the reduced cooldown on Chrono when you dont have the damage to actually kill the enemy core during its duration?
                                    - The mistake you made blindly roaming the Radiant jungle and dropping ur solo ult and masking up for this kill on Chaos Knight is what put the final nail in the coffin for this game. Radiant capitalise on your misjudgement and take racks whilst you are sitting in the last hit trainer. I would say this game was likely already lost at this stage but this basically killed off any remaining chance you had at winning this game.
                                    - Laughabley you do exactly the same thing in the 40th minute and you are very lucky not to die. You even pass through the same areas of the map that you died in previously. The fact that you manage to kill Zeus and get away is testament to how bad Radiant are and how easy this game would have been if you didnt make the mistakes I have discussed.
                                    - It is now 42m in and only now do you build a shadow blade. Which possibly would have had a great impact 25m ago but is basically redundant at this stage in the game.
                                    - You kill their Chaos Knight. Only the Zeus is alive but instead of pushing onto their highground you fall back to farm ancients!? Only when the majority of their team has respawned again do you decide to push and by this time its much to late to push substantially
                                    - 43:35 You literally stand still whilst you manta illusions are attacking. You actually deselected your hero during this fight and its kinda crazy how you didnt notice this for the duration that your hero was standing idle. It was fortunate that you reacted to it before you got silenced by the bloodseeker.
                                    - At 45:30 the ogre does invis, you had no idea where he was and it was possible that his team were close. It is worth being cautious in this situation because the ogre could easily have engaged you out of invis with his team. The fact that nobody was contesting you bot and the ogre seemingly disappeared, plus the enemies movementes on the minimap in the 45th minute should have been more than enough information to make it obvious that they were doing roshan but nobody on your team checks for it.
                                    - Why attack the Nimbus during chrono? You would have been better off attacking the chaos knight so that his ult is easier to deal with when he inevitably casts it.
                                    - Daedalus, whilst being a good source of damage, does not provide attack speed which is probably the most crucial component of any good void build. For the same money you could have bought other items which give roughly the same dps and more utility with it. You also do not really have the slots for the daedalus as you quickly realise. You should have built upon your existing items (MoM into Satanic, Shadow Blade into Silver Edge) instead of spending so much money on a 7th slot item which doesnt rly fit your build.
                                    - Again you win this fight because of how poor Radiant are. I have no idea where this Spirit Breaker is as well? I know its now super late in the game but this person had a stinker of a game :(
                                    - YOU KILL THEIR WHOLE TEAM AND YOU GO TO FARM INSTEAD OF PUSHING AT THIS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL MOMENT IN THE GAME!!!!
                                    - This is kinda demonstrating why lifesteal is a must have on void. Ever since selling MoM you all of a sudden have no regen and find yourself on low hp and unable to push or engage the enemy in the next fight. At this point the lack of mana and hp regen your build provides is really weighing your ability to fight down.
                                    - This whole sequence where you are just care-free pushing the bot lane right next to their base and farming under their ward spots and behind their shrine is kinda hard for me to wrap my head around as you would 100% be dead by this stage in a higher mmr game. You even use manta to farm when their team could literally be right ontop of you and you would have nothing to resist Ogre's bloodthorn since you just used it.
                                    - The flame at 52:00 is just pathetic. By this stage we have established that you are just as much to blame for the sad state of this game as your teammates.
                                    - 53m in and again you randomly pop your manta right next to an invis seeker without any knowledge of where the enemy teams ogre is.
                                    -Your change in build at 53m further destroys your game. Gem is unnecessary this game since you have a chrono and the fact that you sell your shadow blade instead of building it into a silver edge undermines your damage, attack speed, and practicality. At this stage with all things considered I think you have lost about 8000 gold due to poor item management, efficiency and wasted gold on wards.
                                    - The fight that occurs at the end of the video is probably all the evidence you need to see how your itemisation is poor. Imagine how quickly you would have killed this bloodseeker if you had a MKB and how you would have dispatched the ogre if you had a bkb. An ideal build this game would have been MKB, BoTs, BKB, Statanic, Butterfly and Mjollnir with a moon shard for effect.
                                    - Finally you choose to abandon this game, whilst with your teams collective skill level this game was definitely lost you could have just waited for the game to end naturally since the end was close.

                                    In conclusion, 500 mmr is easy. The number of terrible plays, mistakes and absolute failure of Radiant to capitalise on how shockingly bad your team are is pretty strong evidence that this game was 100% and easy win with or without your teammates. You make basic errors and continuous mistakes and errors that are indicative of your bracket and that is why you find the game hard. Whilst its easy to look at your K/D and think it wasnt your fault that you lost, I would say the most severe errors that your team made had a lot to do with you and that you are ultimately responsible for your team losing. If you want to learn then I would suggest watching youtube videos or even getting coached... I dont consider myself to be a good player but I would be able to give u some advice that would at least enable you to climb to 1-2k for free unlike some people who would charge stupid amounts of money for coaching lol :) Thanks for reading

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                                    twitch.tv/afeect

                                      ^ write a book about that game

                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                        Just trying to be helpful. As I said its been a boring day

                                        JDF8

                                          imo the best part of dota is how much you can actually think about what ur doing and how theres often actually a debate to be had over if somethjng is optimal

                                          kuci

                                            Holy smokes that's longer than my average lab report

                                            kuci

                                              Dude lot of people want to be 3 digit mmr, sell those accounts make some money lmao

                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                Holy smokes that's longer than my average lab report
                                                I actually study history and considering some of my assignments are 10,000 words long and devoid of anything interesting, writing a small piece on this guys 500 mmr plays was kinda easy and relaxing lol

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                                                chicken spook,,,,

                                                  bothering with someone who doesnt want help in the first place

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                                                    -I intended to take Void safelane, not mid. My allies were afk in base, so I decided to go mid with the hopes of "winning the lane and winning 1v9"

                                                    -When I realized I was playing with four people previously muted, that I have 0% winrate with, I didn't feel like "trying hard" against the ogre and then failing anyway.

                                                    -My hotkeys are set to legacy, because I started playing DOTA 1 in 2006.

                                                    -Yes, wards are 99% of the time 4 in stock in every match I play ranked. I agree, you can't win without vision, so I opted to buy them.

                                                    -Two of the enemies had invis at this point, and I was getting 0 help from my team, so I put sentries near every camp I intended to farm.

                                                    -My chronospheres are reckless in these games because my allies don't do anything to bait the enemy out. After a certain point I just don't feel like anything i do will make a difference so why invest the energy?

                                                    -Thanks for noticing that part where mirana was intentionally following me around and taking camps I was farming. There is no respect from players in these matches.

                                                    -I might have managed to kill some important hero, but I'm not going to push by myself unless several of them are down, because again, I'm not getting any support from my allies whatsoever.

                                                    I'll put more energy into itemization and clicking enemy heroes to see what they have.

                                                    Thanks again for your time.

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                                                    Tribo

                                                      Imagine playing over 5k games yet being sub 1k
                                                      Also I thought the only person who would write essays on this site was cucki. I was wrong :-(
                                                      @op feelsbad if you can't improve then dotes ain't for you

                                                      Azanulbizar

                                                        @ Ziggurat:

                                                        I dont get why you attack this Legend 7 guy, who analyzed your game pretty well and tryed to give u tipps to improve your gameplay.
                                                        If you aren't a troll and really spend all your time to learn dota basic gameplay, then i have to say that this was wasted time. You didn't learn anything.

                                                        And trust me man, you will have the same problems with "shit" mates on 2k, 3k and 4k too.
                                                        If you aren't able to adept your playstyle and make it independent of your teammates you will never raise in MMR.

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                                                          Is that true, though? Are people who are playing heroes like omni knight, in 2k, 3k, etc, not buying wards too? not using repel or heal on his teammate?

                                                          I'm not ready to accept that I wasted over a decade of my lifespan playing dota, for no return.

                                                          I'd like to note that my "fighting" measurement on the graph, is next to 0. Everything else is at least normal level. Why? Because my allies in these matches do nothing but farm camps, are in the wrong places at the wrong times, and don't buy wards. Add the fact that nobody rotates to defend towers, not even Tier 3 some games.

                                                          Did you see how fast those enemy players were rotating on me when near towers? How come my allies weren't doing that?

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                                                          Tribo

                                                            Yes your team is definitely holding you back

                                                            cartel

                                                              op you're boring
                                                              stop posting the same thread every week
                                                              just read what parma wrote
                                                              i am not saying it will help you because i think you're beyond any help ..... only god can save you at this point
                                                              but it should at least make you realize that both your team and the enemy team are terrible
                                                              so if you can stop caring about your allies mistakes....and start using your enemies mistakes to your advantage...maybe you'll improve
                                                              i'm not talking about spell usage
                                                              crying about getting a heal is so fucking stupid....you have no idea what the range on that shit is....i'm 100% sure you have no idea what omni's shield does
                                                              i'm talking about reading the map and farming where enemies can't kill you...you don't check enemy inventory
                                                              you don't use your spells you don't check where enemies tpd
                                                              you don't do anything
                                                              so don't expect your teammates to win the game for you
                                                              imo every game except the ones with someone feeding down mid or someone tossing you into enemy tower or ones with enemy cheese picks are winnable
                                                              i've won games with mid ls, games with pos 1 np, games with a guy that never played pos 1 and a guy that went 0/5 as ember 5 mins in
                                                              i can provide links but that's too much work
                                                              stop crying
                                                              fix yourself before asking others to fix themselves

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                                                                It would seem that at this point, I simply need to figure out how to win these matches, without anybody's help, if I continue to play. Allies mistakes, lmao, my allies don't even play the game haha. They're afk farming camps

                                                                Crimson Sky

                                                                  Yes. Your enemy is as bad as your allies. You are the same MMR. The difference is you.

                                                                  Ignore enemies and allies. Pick an easy to farm meta carry (jugg, naix). Watch how the pros and high mmr players play. Look at their item builds and their start items.
                                                                  At 500mmr the enemy will be hopeless at last hitting. You should get almost every lh and deny in lane. Practise until you do.
                                                                  Alternate between farming jungle camps and pushing lanes. You can usually take t1 solo pretty easy and sometimes t2. Use map to see where enemy is showing and so you know if it is safe to be in lane or better to be in jungle.

                                                                  Don’t expect to win every game. You will make mistakes or the enemy will be better. Usually a combination of both. If you get 60% win rate that is +50 mmr every 10 games. Look at your stats over weeks or months not days. That is true reflection of your performances.

                                                                  Most importantly: ignore enemy. Ignore allies. Focus on yourself only. Recognise you need to improve and figure out how to correct your mistakes and play better.

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                                                                    No doubt. At this point it's wasted energy focusing on the confounds. If i'm gonna play, I can just do my best and play opportunity as it presents itself. Some matches there won't be any, and I'll lose. My 5k coach from last year mentioned that you just need 60% to gain, at least. It's whatever.

                                                                    Whatever the reasons are or the variables or the confounds, they're out of my hands and control. Every ranked match you put up MMR, it's a gamble. I Used to bitch a lot when losing in poker, too, instead of trying to just play better

                                                                    I've been watching the pros, but it's a different vibe there. They play my favorite cores with supports who know how to stack and pull. I probably won't experience that until 2k mmr archon, if I ever get back there again. I'd like to...I calibrated 2,500 with none of the skills I have now. So I'm curious to see what happens at that point with different level teammates.

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                                                                    DSP

                                                                      parmaviolets youre the real MVP here

                                                                      Crimson Sky

                                                                        Forget supports stacking and pulling! I am 2.7k and they rarely do that!

                                                                        It is completely in your hands to do better! Focus only on yourself like I said.

                                                                        Even the pros get annoyed with their team mates for not doing what they want. It not exclusive to any bracket.

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                                                                          Parmaviolets is the man. Lol wow I got a long way to go then.

                                                                          Yo for real, nice, good looks. Just won a 4v5, the mid fed, lost tower, then abandoned. Normally I'd get pissed and give up right away. But having people here berate me and look down upon me, treat me like an autist, really motivates me to do better.

                                                                          Not sure what I did differently last two games, gonna play two more.

                                                                          Actually, not gonna lie, the previous two games, the allies at the very least weren't feeding or starting fights in a retarded fashion. That helps me a lot.

                                                                          If you see the luna game, for example, after getting a few pick offs, i noticed my team was in position to push. They weren't afk farming camps, and therefore, I followed suit.

                                                                          When I'm in a match with the bad players, if I die once or twice, the game is lost. So that's why I won't push after one or two pickoffs on team afk farming no rotation no help, especially when it's against an enemy team that is rotating at the very sight of me pushing a tower. I hope there's some logic in that.

                                                                          @crimson I've seen it myself, yeah the pro high level players bitch too. Difference is, like there's a difference between not doing what's expected, and just flat out not playing dota at all. What I mean is, in the void game I posted, my allies were doing jack shit the entire game, and if you see the mirana, he was just fucking around trying to make my life more miserable. In those kinds of matches, my allies are literally doing absolutely nothing, so there's nothing to judge.

                                                                          It's one thing to be bad, and it's another to not even be playing the game.

                                                                          Holy crap...taht vid has a hundred views lol. Thanks alot for checking it out dudes...

                                                                          @parmaviolets yo dude, how's the itemization this time around as void? It won't take you much time, game lasted 21 minutes. I figured with what you said about MKB, and the fact that alchemist has radiance by minute 15 and the pa passive, figured itd be best to get that before battlefury. Seemed to have worked out, even though the enemies were really bad.

                                                                          https://www.twitch.tv/videos/384739546?t=03h52m05s I set it at where the game starts to save you time.

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                                                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                            @OP I am glad you took the time to read what I wrote because I kinda expected to be ignored, so I am happy about that at least.

                                                                            -When I realized I was playing with four people previously muted, that I have 0% winrate with, I didn't feel like "trying hard" against the ogre and then failing anyway.
                                                                            As tempting as it is to blame your teammates, you were the difference in the void game. Your team werent good but there was no difference in quality between them and the radiant side. As tempting as it is to analyse your team and blame your loss on them this game was definately on you. If I had to pin down a precise time as to when the game spiraled beyond your teams grasp it was likely when you died solo in the enemy jungle in the 37-38m mark. This had nothing to do with your team. Ive been where you are now myself and whilst some games truly are unwinnable because the enemy team vastly outclasses your team, this simply was not the case in this game. There was not one intelligent player on the radiant side and if there was they would have ended in about 20-25m.

                                                                            Two of the enemies had invis at this point, and I was getting 0 help from my team, so I put sentries near every camp I intended to farm.
                                                                            This isnt a rational response to the other team having invis though. One or two well placed wards at the entrances to your jungle would be sufficient to catch most enemy rotations. Bearing in mind each sentry costs 100 gold to buy and the average yield of each neutral camp is around 70 gold, buying a sentry for each camp simply isnt a good investment, especially when the other team has a zeus that can deward.

                                                                            -My chronospheres are reckless in these games because my allies don't do anything to bait the enemy out. After a certain point I just don't feel like anything i do will make a difference so why invest the energy?
                                                                            No. You chronos are reckless because you rush the placement of them instead of getting more information about the positioning of the enemies heros. This is mutually exclusive from whatever your teammates are doing. Giving up based on your teammates is pretty retarded especially when the other team is this terrible.

                                                                            -I might have managed to kill some important hero, but I'm not going to push by myself unless several of them are down, because again, I'm not getting any support from my allies whatsoever.
                                                                            Hun as I pointed out there were multiple times this game where you did kill most of their team and still didnt push. Also their team had low kill potential without the chaos knight and the ogre and you probably would have been able to push with them dead. The bloodseeker was a subhuman and Techies and Zeus cant really do much against a Void at this skill level.

                                                                            Is that true, though? Are people who are playing heroes like omni knight, in 2k, 3k, etc, not buying wards too? not using repel or heal on his teammate?
                                                                            Yes its true. In general your teammates will get margianlly better as you gain MMR but tbh I dont see a massive difference in the quality of my teams in my VHS party games, my 2.5k trench solo games, or even the 1k hellhole that I climbed from. Unless you are exceptionally high MMR (6k+) You will always be at risk of getting bad teammates, you are the difference in every game you play.

                                                                            I'm not ready to accept that I wasted over a decade of my lifespan playing dota, for no return.
                                                                            I think you need to focus more on relearning this game. Judging by your profile you have actually declined instead of improving having once been closer to 2k solo mmr. I consider myself to be a fairly average dota player and I have only been taking ranked seriously since the 7.07 update and have gone from 700solo/400party to 2300solo/3900party. If you were truly serious about this game and focus up you should also be able to get the same return, and if you cant then perhaps you need to stop getting upset about this game or find a new hobby.

                                                                            My 5k coach from last year mentioned that you just need 60% to gain, at least. It's whatever.
                                                                            Actually within theory you would slowly gain mmr even from a 50.1% winrate. The gains I made were done with only a 55% solo winrate and a 61% party winrate. As long as you win more than you lose (>50% winrate) you will always gain mmr, albeit slowly.

                                                                            Parmaviolets is the man.

                                                                            Lady*

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                                                                            Vertoxity

                                                                              this made my day. thanks parma

                                                                              ubica

                                                                                how could you stay at 500 mmr while having a 6k coach?

                                                                                kowareta

                                                                                  imagine u know every thing about dota, u want to seeding players base on ur complete knowledge of game in 8 groups, what u expect from players in the lowest groups?? are u expecting they pull and stack for u? i dont think so! u expect they miss their spells, doing stupid things , ... thats why they are in that tier, right?

                                                                                  so the real question is why u are in the same tier as them???
                                                                                  because your teammates dont know how to pull? or its because u dont know how to control ur lane??

                                                                                  are u expecting the lowest tier supports know shit about pulling the lane? i expect them to ruin ur farm and build core items!

                                                                                  if u have more skills and knowledge , why u cant raise mmr ? because ur unable to use that skills and knowledge!

                                                                                  why u are unable? because u pick shit :) u dont expect booster pick pos 5 :) u dont expect him pick void! slow farm team base hero!

                                                                                  if u think ur teammates afk in jungle and u dont have pusher, just learn to play lycan :) or pick mk and go to enemy woods and solo kill them! or just pick sf! why picking void? is there any reason about it?

                                                                                  JDF8

                                                                                    u can totally rape as void but yeah id rather be playing storm lc etc snowbally core heroes with high damage and good scaling

                                                                                    meepo/visage are probably the gold standard of retarded meme heroes that absolutely destroy players if ur better than them

                                                                                    Eddie

                                                                                      Just have fun OP, rank doesn't matter at all at the end of the day.

                                                                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                        @parmaviolets yo dude, how's the itemization this time around as void? It won't take you much time, game lasted 21 minutes. I figured with what you said about MKB, and the fact that alchemist has radiance by minute 15 and the pa passive, figured itd be best to get that before battlefury. Seemed to have worked out, even though the enemies were really bad.

                                                                                        https://www.twitch.tv/videos/384739546?t=03h52m05s I set it at where the game starts to save you time.


                                                                                        Quickly running down this game in a similar fashion as to what I did yesterday. You still seem to playing in a manner conjugative with your bracket.
                                                                                        - Your starting items arent right for the safe lane. Every enemy hero deals significant right click damage in this game so going to the lane without a shield is not a good idea at all. Every safe lane game you should start off with a shield, 6 tangoes and a salve as a melee hero unless you know for a fact that the enemy lane has little right click.
                                                                                        - Again you are manually clicking the shopkeeper and wasting time searching for items. Someone with your playtime should know where all the items in the shop are by muscle memory and you should use hotkeys to open the shop! Heck there is even a build to the left of the shop with the items that you are getting in it so you can just click on those instead of searching for them!
                                                                                        - I am not a fan of the way you queue every item at the start of the game. Every game is different and your build should evolve naturally as the game progresses. Buy items that you need in response to what the enemy team has instead of creating a strict build at the very start and being set to that.
                                                                                        - I think attempting to invade the rune is a good idea on paper on the basis that their offlane shouldnt actually have any stuns in it. I would have expected the offlane to be Pudge/Alchemist making the rune an easy steal but this is 500 mmr so people just seem too play heros in random lanes. Once you saw the Lion you should have immediately have given up your invasion of their rune though since he can easily stun you when the rune spawns. Instead you press onwards and this costs you some HP when your only have moderate HP regen with one salve and 3 tangoes. It doesnt matter so much because you have time walk but I could imagine you doing this with another hero that doesnt have the ability to undo damage.
                                                                                        - Your initial kill on Lion is again evidence that this bracket is funny. There is no way he should have dropped this easily and his inability to navigate the bramble maze was funny to me. This alchemist is now solo in lane but you do not check his items to see how much regen he has and how easily he can be bullied out of lane. You should take advantage of this weak offlaner who has lost his support and doesnt have armour or anything that enables him to escape your harass.
                                                                                        - You should really practice your last hitting a lot. Its normal to miss one or two last hits but you are missing really basic last hits despite having a QBlade.
                                                                                        - You should familiarise yourself with how creep agro and how to draw the lane to you in order to force the offlaners out of position. This lane is pushed far forward but if you attract creep agro you can reposition the creeps in a way that makes them easier to last hit without being harassed by the Lion. Repositioning the wave this way will also make it easier for you to trade hits with the Alchemist who will be forced out of position by wave change. Not many people in this bracket know anything about creep agro so this would give u a huge advantage over the enemy lane.
                                                                                        - By this stage it is obvious that the alchemist is a complete monkey along with the Lion. The alchemist not only takes his stun at level 2 when he should 100% have acid spray and his passive, but his failure to cast it on you despite being within range truly is shocking. Im commenting on this as I watch in real time but I hope to god you harass the crap out of this ape every-time he even tries to last hit from now on because it is obvious they are a brainlet.
                                                                                        - I would say that after Lion's death at 3m this lane is already won so anything I say is purely nitpicking but it would help you in your later games.
                                                                                        - You procede to unnecessarily take damage from the enemy creep wave at 3.05, and I dont know why you hate that ranged creep so much but killing it before the wave naturally reaches it actually pushes your lane further towards the enemy tower which is not something you ever want to do this early in the game unless you are an agro trilane. Infact the way you attack the enemy creeps before they are last hittable pushes the lane in general. As a rule of thumb you want to keep the wave as close to your tower as possible without your tower attacking the enemy creeps. So speeding up the rate at which the enemy waves die by attacking the creeps on max hp will push the lane somewhere more unfavourable. Whilst it doesnt really matter against a completely useless offlane such as this one, it will make a huge difference vs more competent players who you will want to deny as much xp from as possible. Conversely when the lane is this pushed its worth attacking your own creeps as soon as you are able to do so in order to depush the wave and gain that sweet deny gold!
                                                                                        - What you write at 4m is technically correct. This lane is easy and you do not need this willow anymore so stacking and pulling is of benefit to you but whether or not this willow has the skill to execute this remains to be seen.
                                                                                        - Again you kill the enemy ranged creeps from fully HP which will only serve to push this lane.
                                                                                        - 5m its definately the correct thing to attack this alch since the Lion is almost certainly missing from the lane, but why do you time walk off to the left? If you had time walked infront of the alchemist you could easily have prevented them from getting away. Instead you give them enough space to disengage for no reason at all.
                                                                                        - You miss a very simple last hit on that catapult. -75 gold.
                                                                                        - You now have your level 6 whilst this alch is only level 4. For some reason instead of engaging him in preperation for a chrono you choose to aimlessly smack their tower. Killing this alch is like swatting a fly at this point and you should do it everytime he appears. Even with this pudge present this is a very easy kill.
                                                                                        - This is a well executed chrono but you ought to time your hits better so that these kills go to you. This pudge dies from ticking damage to the willow and for some reason you let the Alch escape AGAIN even though you have your time walk and can easily dive them under the tower at this stage.
                                                                                        - Again this Alch is a sitting target and after killing the Pudge he literally has nobody to back him up. Instead of hitting the tower aimlessly you should be looking to punish him for even showing up to the lane.
                                                                                        - If I were you at this stage I would either be asking the Willow to plant a ward overlooking their secret shop or I would do it myself. You are so much stronger than the enemy heros that you should be looking to kill them whenever possible especially with your chrono off cooldown. Doing this without vision is a risk under the tower but if you have the information that there is nobody on their team hiding close by then there is really nothing stopping you from killing any solo hero that wonders down to this lane.
                                                                                        - For some reason you choose to stop hitting this pudge in the chrono despite the fact that they are practically dead. This costs your support their life.
                                                                                        - 12m this is a dodgy time walk onto high ground where you dont have vision. It doesnt matter so much in this particular game but there will be times when doing this could easily get you killed.
                                                                                        - 13:10. Retreating is definitely the correct thing to do here since the enemy team is missing, but then why do you scan only after the PA shows top and the Lion appears in lane?
                                                                                        - The ward you place would have been useful a few minutes earlier but at this stage in the game Dire are doing so badly that this ward would have been better placed above their shrine, either watching the stairs above the shrine or on the ward spot overlooking their bottom tower. You should be planting wards in places that you intend to secure, not places that are already within your map control. At this stage anything beyond Dire's shrine is under your team's strict control, so planting the ward this far back doesnt actually provide your team with any extra information.
                                                                                        - The fact that the alchemist uses acid spray on you from the low ground at 13.40 is strong evidence that Dire have vision of you.
                                                                                        - Why are you scared to fight this alchemist? Your ult is off cooldown, they obviously have next to no farm and they already wasted their stun and you have enough information to determine that they are alone. You could easily delete this guy but you choose to back off instead.
                                                                                        - At 14:20. You make the correct decision to farm this easy lane but why would you leave the large creep half finished like that? This is effectively denying yourself farm later on should you choose to farm the jungle some more.
                                                                                        - Your itemisation up to 14:50 was pretty much perfect but then all of a sudden it goes horribley wrong. Why are you building a MBK first? Your first major item should ALWAYS be your primary farming item, Battlefury/Maelstrom or Diffusal Blade. Never build a damage item such as an MKB before your farming item is online and this will make you much less efficient.
                                                                                        - Honestly whilst it probably isnt an awful idea to split push and take tons of gold, this is an essentially dead game and you should just be looking to wipe the Dire team out whenever chrono is off cooldown. If you had fought the other team in the 15th minute you could easily be taking barracks at this stage.
                                                                                        - Smart rotation to your bot lane at 17m
                                                                                        - I dont think you even need to be buying any wards at this stage. Your team has been warding and if you are paranoid about the microscopic possibility of dire actually killing you then you should just play around your existing vision in the toplane. This whole game you have only really been making use of one third of the map.
                                                                                        - Again you plant this ward too far back. At this stage Dire are literally stuck inside their base so you should plant the ward on their highground to make it easier to initiate.
                                                                                        - 19.40 This is a reckless Chrono. Your camera is positioned in such a way that you had no idea where the enemy heros were. If the Dire team were anything but the worst trashes in the world you would easily have died in this situation. There was nothing stopping the Pudge from hooking you out of that chrono and killing you other the fact that they are either mentally disabled or a small child.
                                                                                        - 20:10 Why are you allowing these towers to hit you like this? Just let the wraith king tank the tower attacks he can take it better than you can.
                                                                                        - 20.45 This random time walk forward would have got you killed in basically any other game.
                                                                                        - At the end you die as a result of your poor positioning.

                                                                                        Overall your performance in this game is marginally better than the other one. Your early itemisation is slightly better but honestly I dont see much improvement. I would say you have a lot to learn. You did well because the other team were simpletons but I dont think you would have done so well in a game against actual opponents. Everyone has potential and if that is an average 500 mmr game then there is no way you should be stuck at this mmr. I would say keep playing and you will learn but you clearly have a ton of experience. If you want to improve you need to engage the game. Watch videos that will help you learn, and get yourself coached. As I said I would be happy to occasionally give you basic 2k insight which would be enough to get the ball rolling though I wont always have this much free time in order to analyse your games and stuff.

                                                                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                          this made my day. thanks parma
                                                                                          The student becometh the master

                                                                                          JDF8

                                                                                            i used to rush mkb on lc in 2k back when it was 50 attack speed and pure damage, very fun stuff. bad? probably but fun af

                                                                                            A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                                                                                              @parma: You think you are void pro eh? Did you even vote for void in last yrs arcana list?

                                                                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                                Nah I voted Queen of Pain and then I didnt vote after she got knocked out

                                                                                                Tribo

                                                                                                  Parmaviolets is the man.

                                                                                                  Lady*


                                                                                                  Väinämöinen

                                                                                                    i watched 5 minutes from the game and i felt like i watched dota in slow motion

                                                                                                    Santeria

                                                                                                      you should get refund for your coach because he clearly robbed you

                                                                                                      Feachairu

                                                                                                        you should stop thinking about teammates,just stop thinking about it

                                                                                                        also this one is a solid advice

                                                                                                        I think you need to focus more on relearning this game.

                                                                                                        just watch the good player replays,starting items,how they lane,what item is good on this hero etc etc just copy them 100% ffs

                                                                                                        when you watch those good player replays and you saw they got stacked or pulled or their supports doing their job,just think that doesn't count

                                                                                                        you can do pull by yourself,even if you miss a lasthit you will still get the "lane" in your favor whether you want it close to your tower or pushed to enemy tower afterwards

                                                                                                        also,if you think the stack matters,try to think how many times you forgot to stack because you didnt look at the clock

                                                                                                        so,just keep it to self blame that you are "bad" and you'll want to change your gameplay eventually

                                                                                                        just stop,stop about teammates,make it a rule and post it on your wall or something