General DiscussionKaya or Veil on Zoose

Veil is generally better and if ur having good game, why not both

why not both

Veil then Eulsssss or Aether

I would recommend going for a more defensive item, such as Aether Lens (positionally defensive item) or Euls. Both of them give a decent mana regen, paired with Bottle and Arcane Boots.

why not both

imo veil is way better
then u really need aether and i dont think u even have time for kaya

neither nor

neither

i feel like veil is better for the survivability and extra nuke damage it gives him. also getting double null talis just feels good on him since even after the buff he still feels abysmmal to last hit with (for me but im archon trash so it doesnt really mean anything, just personal preference)

I agree that you can't afford to go both
Because u usually need to transition to aether lens and some defensive item and then into travels aghs

I was actually considering that sometimes as Zeus u don't want to come close enough to use the veil active on someone, since you could be in the danger zone. Is that ever a consideration?

straigh dagon 5 rush no boots

Veil has 1000 cast range and 600 radius.

Dagon 5 + ethereal blade

Is aether really needed ? Compared to kaya? I went veil kaya aether once on pugna. It felt dirty and wrong

Well aether let's u kite people and also mana Regen

Aghs is too good to delay so long. Get it after aether I think

Build I've been seeing recently is Midas into Aghs, or kaya into aghs.

Aghs is rlly not even game breaking until ur lvl 20 talent so I don't see the point of rushing it

I feel like timing it with ur lvl 20 is the best way to get the biggest power spike

^^ that is a fair point.

Unless you have some ganky type team comp (Nyx clinkz ) where they can hold that hero in the nimbus for multple strikes, until you get the talent.... well its pointless.