against dumb people and weak offlaners is pretty good, and if you playing an agressive trilane, agaisnt another trilane is good too, hit the enemy carry 3 times and you can control the lane with bigger attack dmg
After your inital Echo Sabre attack, if you rushed it first, much of your burst will come from your Pact and Leash. Which means Leash has to be used at least twice in a fight to initiate first then escape second, or escape from a bad fight, or initiate and if fight is going well Leash another kid.
To max passive first would mean you rely on your Echo Sabre Slow and Pact damage to kill the target. So if you Leash and it's a bad fight you're dead. If you are roaming around with your first item Echo Sabre and get seen after your intial Pounce you are fucking dead unless you jump into the trees or some shit and TP out.
You won't be guaranteed to hit targets cuz they won't fucking stay still while you smack them, and your attack speed is complete dogshit since you don't have a Shadow Blade, unless you got 999999 million stacks of Essence Shift then by all means go on.
Max Essence is shit.
no justification for this just stop saying "it can be if <insert specific situation>"
max essence is shit
All I see are comments about the laning stage, with no consideration for the mid game where Slark's most crucial moment to get momentum up and fuck everyone in the game presents itself.
Well with max Pounce it certainly gains some appeal. With Pact dispel + Leash you are guaranteed to get attacks in. It seems like you would need to commit Shadow Dance to get a kill though. After that back off and heal, maybe do some cleanup, or retreat and farm some camps if it is a bad fight.
But Pact still melts heroes faster than your max Essence though, and Slark won't be able to utilize the stacks well because if he tried and go again he would blow up against any team of similar level. Shadow Dance regen is good but it is not great yet, and you would need to stand for like 5 seconds to get your HP back up, in which your team might have all died already, and this is in a scenario where you get the perfect Pounce off and is able to go out of enemy vision immediately. The enemy team may be squishy, but so is yours.
Max Pact last closes out any hope of efficient jungle farming, which is what you should aim to do as Slark because you can't kill heroes reliably yet and lanes might be pushed in cuz you're not the only carry on the team.
1 lvl in essence shift is way way way more value than all the others. U just gain more dmg by maxing pact, and it will still be used to kill the offlaner.
If ur against a weak offlaner ur better off just buying oov than maxing essence shift there is literally no justification at all.
this guy must be laughing at us now considering he didnt max pact last in his last game
xd nice trollin op
you can really rekt FV
that feeling when you lose the offlane to someone playing like a 2k ULU
well last game i had free farm on safe so i went for q => more farm
usually i max e because i fp slark and play against axe/void/undying or similar shit
are u fucking serious spunki u max q after pounce???
i suggest that u pounce in the window then
U realize that the only value u get from maxing essence is how long it lasts, which has nothing to do with why its good IN LANE. IN LANE it is good because u lower max hp and gain dmg, its not abt stacking it up, its abt the instantaneous value in trading. I cant see a single scenario where essence max is good.
U realize that the only value u get from maxing essence is how long it lasts, which has nothing to do with why its good IN LANE. IN LANE it is good because u lower max hp and gain dmg, its not abt stacking it up, its abt the instantaneous value in trading. I cant see a single scenario where essence max is good.
delete dota.
Wtf did i say that was wrong. I literally hate the post u just made. Im not perfect and i will make a mistake. So instead of being a dipshit and tell me to delete dota, why dont u tell me what i did wrong so i can correct myself.
slarks pact and pounce have very little impact in a 1v1 lane, its not especially good to trade. now tell me, does having more agi help in lane?
Yes but wow u get the same amount of agi no matter the level. No matter how much u trade by leveling it up u wont get a massive amount of essence stacks. Plus u need those pact levels to transition to jungle anyway, by mxing essence u delay that, just for like 6 more agility. Im pretty sure u get more agility from essence by maxing pounce cuz u can keep hitting em and stealing more stats (dont max pounce either tho).
idk i think it's super risky
what u're gonna do if the enemy support decides to camp ur lane at some point
Yes but wow u get the same amount of agi no matter the level.
Not at all, the fact that people are standing and trading in the lane means that somebody's gonna have less stats for a WHILE if you max essence shift. You could take someone's stat or two every few seconds and it'd still amount to -2 or -3 stats stolen at a time, max if you're just trading. However, with maxed essence shift if you trade from time to time, somebody might stand at like -9 stats because they have to stand in lane and sometimes trade with you.
how the fuck is this hard to understand honestly
if u keep your 10 agi stacks for 30 more seconds he cant trade with you anymore, if its level 1 it wears off and he can trade decently with you again. with level 3 essence u can be in lane with like 10 stacks vs stuff like fv/timber, = bonus 60 agi , u think it doesnt make a difference or what? HWAT??
vs any offlaner like timber/slar/void even if u max pounce and hit me im just going to sit there and trade with you, and you will lose the trade with level 1 shift
or maybe not lose normal trades but u wont be strong enough to creep skip,tank creeps while winning trades which is what having high levels of essence shift does
and imo if u go more essence early u need to get midas to catch up levels.
if this doesnt make sense to you then go play that hero first.
I just feel like ur sacrificing a lot of farming potential without pact for what seems like a very fringey ass scenario. Even then i wud rather just take pact levels so i can farm jungle later on and buy oov so i can get it more hits but i guess ur right now ill max essence every game oh blue star over lords. Kappa
which is why he goes midas
its not rly a fringe scenario, 5k supports ditch you 5 mins in to go roam if you even have 2 supports 99% of the time and ur left 1v1 timber or void or slardar or whatever
its obviously a fringe situation, not maxing pact is a big risk and you need to estimate how many points do you actually need, some games you overcommit on it and the offlaner ends up roaming and destroying your team while you cant exploit the space with pact, some games their support kills roams you and kills you once and pushes your tower as 3 and ure just sad
that doesnt mean that essence shift doesnt help your lane at all.
this reminds me of one game where I offlaned legion against lion and antimage, they thought that thеy'd wreck me because I would never have mana to do anything, but I maxed moment of courage and got some mangos and just right clicked antimage until he goes back to hug his tower or heal in base
every game is different and the only retarded approach is to not change your build depending on circumstances
Get two points of it, in rare occasions ive seen people get 3 though. (maybe against Timber, Bristle? Dunno) But 3 levels of it really cuts your jungle farming speed though.
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