General DiscussionWhat Is Good Night Stalker Semi Support Build?

Depends on game, sometimes you can completely shut down the map with NS + Aghs (Puppey had a game like this at the Shanghai major). I agree though, you always need boots and wand and maybe urn first, but I will rush an aghs some games. Vanguard is good, Crysalis is good sometimes, sometimes I get a heart later in the game, and I love getting a hyperstone into moonshard or AC, depending on team and game.

in most cases u go straight aghs after boots and some farming item (midas or iron talon)

Get an array of cheaper items (urn/boots/talon/wand/etc) then go for aghanim's components while still contributing wards/sentries/smokes etc. Basher/vanguard doesn't provide much utility for a support nightstalker who won't be able to farm these fast enough to be relevant. Vision will always be relevant at all stages of the game, and limiting the opponent's vision is game changing.

Hmmmm wait a min....if we buy normal items doesnt it make us a core? U know what I mean? I mean without rushing aghs?

Is that what differs the core and supp ns?

Midas NS? That works?

u always rush aghs whatever the role u play is.
after aghs u get bkb, AC or lotus. blink can be considered, too.

heart, crits, basher, and moonshard are all extremely bad.

If your team needs a support, and you decide to become one as a nightstalker, but build "core items" anyway, yes you become a "core", but you're not helping your team win.

That being said, heroes or items don't really turn one into a core or a support. Providing utility for your team and making opportunities/supporting your cores is the essence of the role.

Midas NS works since you roam a lot and you're only supposed to farm for less than 50% of the game (since night cycles cover more than 50% of the game) and levels are pretty important on the hero (a low levelled NS is not really that scary)

guys does normal night and NS ult's have the same effect? i.e the enemy vision??

have you ever even heard how broken aghs ns is

@funky panda
no, the vision that the enemy heroes/wards have differs. during normal night, its just as always (f.e. slark has a very huge vision), but when NS switches his ult on, the vision is lowered to 600. thats why u see NS players pressing R at night, too, basically.

I think it was the 2nd or 3rd game of the epicentre eu qualifier finals where no dignity had a very good game with ns
Watch that if you want to learn ns

this team is called No Diggity

NS is one of the best hero that can carry gem so u crippled the enemy team vision with aghs +gem ....also u might want to get talon to help deward high ground and the rest is situational items (lotus AC BKB and etc) ..btw boots for NS is either phase or treads

@TripleSteal

Moonshard isint really bad item for NS cause you can get more night vision which is always good imo but never ever ever rush it ...take it for your 6th item.....it's very situational item but still viable for the hero