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General DiscussionWhy I Quit DoTA – Or – How to Make DoTA Better

Why I Quit DoTA – Or – How to Make DoTA Better in General Discussion
BenaoLifedancer

    ah and ban op already you scrub mods (yeah, I'm talking to you normal skill new dude that thinks it's smart to ban color in chat!! jsutbecause he saw it somewhere, YOU KNOW WHAT? GO F*CK YOURSELF USELESS SHIT!)

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    plz do

      ahhh the forum has gotten so much better, because of this post and since this Фантом Рики dude started posting. i feel relieved from lots of anger - i can just blame these guys and be happy w myself. ty op and russian trash dude, who lives in usa.

      Oldman

        1 thing is sure Benao, no one would invite u for a TV discussion cos u swear too much :D

        TripleSteal-

          @benao
          thanks

          I3ambi

            Warning: if you do not wish to read a gay normal skill pleb's comment, skip this now. As it is made by a gay normal skill pleb.

            My reaction to this:
            I rarely have problems with Dota and don't blame Valve for the ones I have. So I don't really care about the first 2 points.
            I am personally against the surrender button, but that is simply a preference. No facts helping or hurting the idea, I simply wouldn't enjoy having that option around.
            I would love if the was a new game mode or if all pick was changed so that people could declare their position before hand. However it would have to be done right. One of my favorite parts of Dota 2 is how what position each heroes play and what position composition makes up a balanced team is more of an art then a science. If the system for declaring your position was made too specific, it would be impossible for strange yet viable team comps to exist. One way I would be ok with this process is if the positions were defined by farm priority 1-5. These definitions are both loose and stricked at the same time. Any hero would be open to any position, but the players would be expected to play the position they signed up for properly. Not every team needs a jungler or even a defined tank, but every team can at least be assigned farm priority.
            For mmr, I don't think anything other then wins should count towards increase or decrease of it. If the how well you played system was made perfectly it would be great. But if it isn't (cause being perfect is practically impossible) it would be awful. It's annoying when you lose mmr cause of a bad teammate, but these losses and wins cancle out over time. It would be much worse in my opinion if you were contributing to wins and having a positive percent but wasn't rising mmr because you weren't playing the way the game wanted you to.
            For split mmrs per heroes, I like the idea but not the logistics. Since the 25 heroes would have to be changeable for when you get better with different heroes, you would basically need an mmr for every single hero be hidden. And I'd rather not go through over 100 mini calibrations. It would also be annoying to have to decide what heroes you would play befire a you enter a game. Some games are just not the place to play your top 25 hard carries or mid 25 supports. However assuming that the choosing your position before a match idea went into effect, I think a different mmr for each position would be very doable. Technically any hero would be open in any position, but many players already specialize in position types. I think this method would separate people into different mmr accurately.

            Mid or Feed: your choice

              brooster77: thank you very much for reading my whole post and posting your constructive criticisms. This was what i was expecting.

              "These definitions are both loose and stricked at the same time. Any hero would be open to any position" this was what i had in mind. for example one can even play wraith king support buying just aghs and assault cuirass. But signing up before and talking to the players before starting the match ensures some predictability, we don't go into random games with no control.

              "It would be much worse in my opinion if you were contributing to wins and having a positive percent but wasn't rising mmr because you weren't playing the way the game wanted you to." this is legit. my intention was that we can at least calculate some broad parameters like amount of heal, amount of damage dealt over many matches. 50% of the mmr can be determined by win/lose.

              regarding individual mmr: they can show the individual mmr for all heroes. they automatically give us our top 10, 15, or 20 heroes. The reason for this is that if we suddenly pick visage and the match making matches us with our mmr with good heroes for us, then we ruin the game for the other nine.

              so as our mmr with visage is low or non-existent we are matched in that particular match with low mmr people. Of course our overall mmr (which includes skills like positioning, item knowledge, last hitting) should also be considered.

              Mid or Feed: your choice

                and regarding surrender i think you will like it by the you are 1000 hours in. What if all 5 in a team want to end it like after 30 mins, when they are getting fountain farmed, they still have to endure it?

                Dire Wolf

                  you are also playing a huge amount of games in normal. Ranked games are much better quality where people actually give a shit.

                  And gg button means you'd only be able to pick early game shit, no comebacks, bye bye medusa, spectre (until this recent patch), naga, all the good end game heroes. Bye bye rat strategies. If your team doesn't start 10-2 who's going to finish? Bad heroes but with crazy lane presence will vault to top of win rates like huskar and viper.

                  Mid or Feed: your choice

                    hi man. i played many ranked games where the people are as bad as in normal, except that the flaming is even higher.

                    mackoy

                      sighhhhhh

                      scraps

                        ban op already you scrub mods

                        OP is doing nothing wrong. That's not saying I agree with his post; I disagree with basically everything he said, but that's not a bannable offense.

                        (yeah, I'm talking to you normal skill new dude that thinks it's smart to ban color in chat!! jsutbecause he saw it somewhere, YOU KNOW WHAT? GO F*CK YOURSELF USELESS SHIT!)

                        top kek

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                        TripleSteal-

                          #JustBenaoThings

                          xX420bootywizuurddXx

                            @scraps u actually read that massive relentless style text wall? O_O

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                            TripleSteal-

                              i think relentless disappeared before scraps became a dbuff mod so this comparison wont be understood

                              plz do

                                ^ omg relentless turned into scraps.....................................................................................................................................................................................

                                TripleSteal-

                                  scraps

                                    that's the dude that posted really long-winded know-it-all shit that would make everyone have a rage seizure every time he posted? yeah, I was there for the end of that, but not the start of it. When I started he was already infamous. I totally forgot about that.

                                    relentless turned into scraps

                                    come on I'm way worse at dota than that guy was.

                                    Seoulmate

                                      I miss the old dotabuff :'( where's Mel-san when you need him

                                      TripleSteal-

                                        relentless was a long-term forum mascot and one of the most outstanding personalities, even tho (or maybe because) he's retarded af

                                        TripleSteal-

                                          i miss wave more than melody

                                          plz do

                                            scraps = relentless is like 3k = 5k. so it must be true

                                            TripleSteal-

                                              relentless is 3k, isnt he

                                              plz do

                                                mmhm, my post should not arouse any logical thinking pls

                                                TripleSteal-

                                                  i mean scraps is 2k, relentless is 3k, the gap between them is not 2k, so u cant assume relentless = scraps.
                                                  autistic logical thinking should be ok, i guess.

                                                  xX420bootywizuurddXx

                                                    relentless was playing HS and VHS for his last few pages of ranked games.. so prob around 3.5k, but who knows he could have just been stacking with his 6k friends.

                                                    saving private RTZ

                                                      Idk but his theorycrafting was the the most retarded shit i ever saw.

                                                      And then he tried to indocrinate me with Catholicism and i fucking destroyed his arguments. I think he is an atheist now lmao or questioning his life lel

                                                      LordAwing(2)
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                                                        Metallicize

                                                          Shawty Ima do things that you ain't never did
                                                          Finna wake up next to you, in my crib, cause
                                                          I'ma make you hurt
                                                          I'ma I'ma make you hurt

                                                          Metallicize

                                                            pretty sure triple is not fat 4head

                                                            LordAwing(2)

                                                              So nice, the few insults pointed at the cnts on this blog was removed, well played guys, well played.

                                                              Metallicize

                                                                lmao are you OP on a smurf, u sound buthurt xD

                                                                LordAwing(2)

                                                                  Removing someones comment is something a buthurt guy would do tbh

                                                                  Metallicize

                                                                    or mb something a mod would do lolz.
                                                                    i get my comments removed a lot too, don;t worry dud

                                                                    LordAwing(2)

                                                                      FCK you MOD XD

                                                                      LordAwing(2)

                                                                        I am pissed because i personally thought it was quite creative and it robbed this triplesteal guy from witnessing my creativity..

                                                                        TripleSteal-

                                                                          what happened here i didnt check
                                                                          no im not fat, im way thinner than i should be

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                                                                          AgressiveVampire

                                                                            Work work work work work work
                                                                            He said me haffi
                                                                            Work work work work work work
                                                                            He see me do mi
                                                                            Dirt dirt dirt dirt dirt dirt
                                                                            So me put in work work work work work work
                                                                            When u ah guh
                                                                            Learn learn learn learn learn learn
                                                                            Mi nuh cyar if him
                                                                            Hurt hurt hurt hurt hurting

                                                                            DONT TEST ME

                                                                              ^ + 1 to what triplesteal said . U need to actually spend more time looking into the game to understand why Valve does not do it the way you wrote in your first post. There is a reason why individual performance is not counted but only Win Losses + - 25 MMR system.

                                                                              Margonite

                                                                                All I want to say is, if valve puts a surrender button in Dota 2, then the game is ruined. Why? Because if any of you have ever played smite or any other MOBA with a surrender button you realize that people start giving up much quicker, spamming surrender, and trying to convince the team to do the same. Just abandon if you don't want to commit, so whoever is actually trying can at least get your gold.

                                                                                Also @Wrath im almost 4k hours in. So your 1000 hours theory isn't holding water in this situation.

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                                                                                mwsqz

                                                                                  i commend anyone who gave enough fuck to read this

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                                                                                  Xyfy

                                                                                    I smelt some hate over your post. Try to improve your KDA every game and see the difference.