What kind of tips are you actually looking for? Qop is pretty versatile mid hero. What were the rules?
I don't know about the other two, but if you lost with BS and Huskar against QoP, then he is just a better player than you.
Blind pick, that guy picks Queen Of Pain all the way, I would like to know if there is any way I can take advantage.
If it's blind pick, then you can't really do much. Her main counters in mid are Lesh and Skywrath. But you mainly have to work around your creep control if you are playing a melee hero or you will just get harassed way too much.
I'm currently mastering "Leshrac" for the current meta but I haven't faced up against Queen Of Pain mid in any of my rank games yet. I will try my best, thanks for replying guys. Anymore information would be appreciated.
why is lesh a counter to qop mid? it doesnt feel particularly disadvantageous to qop plus she can go on lesh with blink dodging the lightning bounces
because lesh spam is better. +if qop goes aggressive with a blink she is in danger of a split earth. which usually results in a death.
also again, what were the rules. fb?
Halo master, im from SEA, can I have 1 v 1 against u? I am 1k mmr. Please have me master.
just pick sf and own him, cant be that hard if you're supposedly "better". I outfarm qop's with my drow but its kinda hard to do so i wouldnt recommend it to someone who's not experienced with her.
You could go mirana and blaast that fucker too. Krobelus has abetter nuke level 3 so you should consider her too. Pugna rapes qop because of his high attack dmg, jjust harras the shit out of her levels 1 and 2 and then ez laning.
as for melee you could go PL, in theory you should be able to outplay him, it might even be possible with tusk, depending on the rules and your skills wth the hero. it should also be possible with cykabllyat and rexxar. I would personally go for sven :D! but well you'd need experience with him too. Lina is an ez hero that can ez own qop too ->i dont play ez heroes.
I don't find heroes like Invoker works against her, Tinker with maxed laser and rocket might work.
when QoP daggers you have to trade. I notice alot of people just let QoP get away with spamming dagger without even putting a little hurt on her. Playing passive against QoP will result in her eventually killing you
I did try to hurt her back, I think she is using some kind of shift move click technique. I beat many Queen Of Pain with my signature meepo, but still this one clearly know what he is doing. Do you guys think "Shadow Strike" is one hell of a overpowered skill ? Should it get nerfed ? The movement speed reduction dealt by that thing is little too much from what I think. That is like a ultimate kiting skill, far close to Viper.
shift click is mostly useless in 1v1 setupts and harrasing options. even more for his poison, he's just good.
meepo can beat qop mid. but sometimes it can backfire, depends how well he plays early.
shadowstrike is fine. its the hits afterwards that hurt, coz he can pounce you 100 times if you are in range.
besides, leveling that up in 1v1, means he wont have scream up for burst. so its a tradeoff, usually not worth it.
just checked him.. fucking highskill thinking he can beat a 5k/6k+ in sea wtf is wrng with people
KNOW YOUR FUCKING LIMITS YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT THIS WHOLE THREAD IS A WASTE OF FUCKING TIME MOTHERF*CKING NOOB
@Fuck SWAG
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Kushina... =3
I started to watch Naruto about 10 years ago, now I'm getting too old for this, but can't stop...
Most retards ss then a click u automatically causing the creeps to agro rofl. Stand back when he ss, know the hero kill potential, agro, buy tangos, learn od, get nulls n stick.
Would be nice if u told us the rules but seems like op is just bragging when 5-6k isnt even impressive
You can't win against 5k-6k player if you still in high skill ranked MM, no matter what hero you use.
Let's make this clear boys. Some of you actually thoughts that I only plays in "High Skill" brackets. Well that is true, in this account. What I want to say is you are wrong, I play most of my games in "Very High Skill" brackets with my other account. And no, I did not cross over and thinks that he is better than me, because that is totally false.
By the way, I created this thread to ask for "Tips" against mid Queen Of Pain, and not flames.
Here are several "Very High Skill" bracket games with THIS account.
1. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1595241181
2. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1595039628
3. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1584148482
4. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1568051580
5. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1541590669
6. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1508604269
7. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1495758583 ( Roaming Mirana with 5 Aquila )
8. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1202380767
*Edit* All the games are "Ranked" for your information.
@Benao.Lifedancer Aren't you embarassing ? I've checked your dotabuff profile, left most of your games. Lost and fed in "Normal Skill Bracket". Totally just seeking attention from professionals, you should be the guy that needs to "Learn To Play". Just go and seek from amateurs before you do it here.
Let's see how embarassing your recent games are :
1. 1-20 Warlock "Obviously Low Priority" http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1594166708
2. 0-6 Bloodseeker with 0 impact. You've tried your best mate http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1593508449
3. 0-20 Beastmaster You thought this is League Of Legends ? http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1588349219
4. 4-13 Broodmother Wow you have showed the true definition of learn to play http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1588147285
5. 0-18 Terrorblade http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1594051589
6. 0-10 Drow Ranger, well at least you've tried in this one. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1563311684
Can you still tell people to get good ? You are completely worst than a trash in a garbage truck.
*Edit* Forget to add butthurt loser
Good ol'Benao, well he trolls (or rages) alot but actually is pretty decent player when he plays seriously. He gets worked up pretty easly so he starts intentional game ruin. I remember giving a look on his steam account and by what i saw there every being on the planet was flaming him. He aint a bad player(skill wise) just has a bad attitude which aint the same thing.
Anyway to get on the topic, can u link the game u played with him? coz its kind of hard to give an explanation on what happened with no insight. Qop is pretty good on 1v1 but not the best i belive, takin in consideration that u were equally skilled u shouldnt have a hard time to counter him since he always picks qop unless he has found the pandora box and knows smth we dont.
Best Regards
DaV.
@DaV I will just ignore butt hurt loser mostly but that guy is something else. I got nothing to tell about his "decent" or not decent, those game proved a lot.
It was a practice game, when I search the ID up against that player, the game says the match ID is invalid. I believe I have a tough time trading when Queen Of Pain blinks into a good positon, Shadow Strikes me and run away. I tried to make sure I trade the damage as well, as mentioned she blinked into a good position. Shadow Strikes was a good kiting skill, I couldn't really trade when I'm slow. I've tried multiple things to counter her Shadow Strikes, I just couldn't make it. It's either the lack of experience of that hero, or I am really not up to his level which I believe is false.
Thanks for replying positive to the topic.
From ur original post u played the puck/huskar, both of them shouldnt have a problem with qop, puck has the easiest time with qop and i belive he can actually beat her in 1v1 situation simply coz of his superior burst dmg and silence + easly phaseshiftin of the shadowstrike. I have played QOP more than anyother hero and a good puck will give trouble, husk on the other hand has problems nowdays coz of the pure dmg from the ult which can finish u off, but u can trade alot better against qop with the flamin spears.
Did qop prioritize in maxin the shadowstrike??? or just 1-2 ranks? coz i cant belive she went full dagger, since she would lose the scream of pain in that scenario.
@DaV I tried to max my silence as Puck, dodged few Shadow Strikes. I am in advantage of last hit in the first 3-4 minutes until she had her burst maxed, she blinked in a beautiful position where I couldn't make my silence to her, too far for me to make my illusory orb there too, she could have escaped is what I expect. She went on me carefully with a distance. Huskar,
with Huskar, I tried to control my searing arrows so I wouldn't get right click down by her, I remember she bought 2 null talismen, treads without bottle in that match up. I lost in that fight due to unexpected how tanky is when he has 2 null talismen and on strength treads. I didn't get my Ultimate simply because I knew she will blink away unless she jumps on me which no one have ever been so stupid. Problem with Huskar is also Shadow Strikes, I couldn't trade back the damage because of the ridiculous slow that spells gave you. It's exactly like CANCER.
*Edit* She maxed burst against my Puck
She did not max burst against my Huskar, I believe he maxed Shadow Strikes, 1 level on Blink and continuously adding stats.
Once again I appreciate your positive comments.
dude she cant start with those items she has to build them....all u have to do is zone her out mb from min 1? go on her highround and deny as much as u can till the creepwave goes to ur highground. if qop manages to get those items means that u had a pretty even lane at the best case scenario which shouldnt be happenin imo. just stay on her highground dont aggro creeps u can orbwalk her down if she approaches, and in the begining 1 hit from ur searin arrow is like 25% of her hp and she cant trade hits with u nor be able to maintain the dead zone of range diffrences and even shadow strike wont be able to slow that much for her. if under all the circumstances she was able to kite u from the very begining mb then he deserved the win and is truly a good player...
As a puck qop will be able to burst u down only if she ult first then blink and scream which requires her to be at the max range of 900 yards , which i belive u need to pay attention at ur hp and especially while tryin to lasthit coz thats the time when they mostly jump for the kill....and dont forget u have ur ult too that ministun messes up her combo gives time for phase or orb...if she blinks in and ult+screeam the ult animation is long enough for u to react and u can get a feelin when u r low hp enough to get bursted down, mb go for double bracer build just for the hp if u find urself too squishy (or double null for better lasthits), bottle crow if u feel u cant compete on the runes.
Srsly unless the diffrence in ur skill on those certain heroes is too high he shouldnt be beatin u....and on puck u can even go aggresive actually dont forget that she gets stuned if she blinks when she is in ur dream coil which shouldnt be hard to follow with orb+silence.
impossible. qop is the ultimate mid, cant lose to anything. just play it safe and farm whatever you can.
@Luxury Smurf Not sure if trollin or bein serious but still she defently is one of the strongest mids but im pretty sure a Skywrath or Leshrac could rip her appart and not only them.
the 1v1s are a complete joke, I just play them when I am waiting for a friend. Taking them seriously will not help you get better at mid at all
i wasnt trolling. in 1v1, if youre qop and enemy is lesh/sky, just max q and again, ez win. true, sky might still rekt you, but lesh is ez
@DaV that is what I'm talking about, she built it. She has higher base damage than a huskar where she have advantages taking last hit. If you are telling me to use Searing Arrow when she come near, she will just shadow strikes, and run behind vision, creeps will hit me since the aggro fixed and the trading damage is not worth.
Puck side, as I mentioned multiple times she plays mind games, nobody jumps without knowing opponent's ability.
@Sampson I bet you didn't took the time to read what is going on
@xan Yes TA works well, a good suggestion.
@NASA I'm just going to ignore unhelpful comments
ta gets pretty rekt as refraction gets rekt. until lvl 6 you might beat her, but then youre fresh meat. your ulti is also useless as she blinks away. 510 dmg burst at lvl 6 will rekt you.
i really cant see myself get beat with qop by any1 except sky or some really good viper.
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I recently had a Solo Mid 1v1 Tournaments, I got second place because of this guy that picks Queen Of Pain all games, in the finals I used 4 differences heroes, Huskar, Troll Warlord, Puck and Bloodseeker. However I failed to defeat that player, I couldn't believe after 3 wins in a row proceeded to Finals I wasn't able to exceed him. I felt "STUPID" here is the bracket :
http://challonge.com/wildream1v1d2tourney
^ I'm Exthious
I need some intel, please do not tell me to get null talismen that is not what I meant HAHA. By the way average MMR in this tournament is 5-6k SEA Players. However I am still satisfied of the price, 1x pack of Compendium and 1x level booster.
Sincerely, Dwayne.