^ Ok, you're officially braindead if you said so. ES is probably one of the most fun/action packed heroes in the game, you clearly never played the hero in your life or played it well so you can enjoy it.
Axe is pretty weak at the moment and I am unsure this next patch has done anything to improve his standing with me so I would in no way consider him to be that strong at the moment and come to mention it neither is Viper so albeit these heroes are pretty basic they aren't really the same bread winners as ES is.
This is why the troll has become such an annoyance for some along with sniper because it's severe brokenness with very little skill required but the brokenness of ES shouldn't be underestimated even though it requires some initial practice to get to that point.
Just because someone can't/doesn't play a hero that you do, or play heroes like Meepo/ES shouldn't really demean them in the eyes or others neither should picking these heroes. If someone takes the time to learn then, then great!
I think you have a habit of moaning about other heroes (and with respect) this is done while maining a hero that has always been pretty strong patch to patch.
EDIT: Also do you use quickcast for ES I couldn't seem to get the kicks right with quick cast so gave up. How do you do it with or without?
Axe is a very strong hero this last meta and is a strong chunk of glue to team fight.
Like you said he isn't that strong to where he is running around and peoples main complaint but lord combine him with any combo this hero is john Rambo.
I only say this because I was wondering if part of your post was me calling out Simpsons last games.
Oh lol that old thread. I'll give you more thoughtful reply when I'm not using my cell phone. Hmm you remember that thread it surprises me and you never mentioned It when we played in a party once.played in a party once.
Also I still hate furion and he will always be my most unfavorite hero.
Also side note havoc why you coming at me hard I'm fine with the ES nerfs I merely want him in CM
@fire yes that was you ;)
Side note havoc how can you say axe isn't strong when he was so useful in these last pro tournaments for one even with the Euls blink change.
+1 for digging that thread out and yes I have to take my medicine I hit a breaking point with the flavor of meta heroes and I still hate furion tbh and time to time I still rage on meta powered heroes like after a hour long game where eventually sniper/troll/axe any combo eventually high grounds you to giving up. (even worse solo queing.)
First as I say above not sure why your coming so hard on me when I don't personally mind the nerfs one bit. I merely believe this was the time for him to be put into CM if even temporarily and taken out prior to International Qualifiers if need be.
Second, how are you always touting Axe as weak? In pubs and across all skill levels he is not weak in fact shockingly his popularity has even surpassed Pudge.
I highly doubt you would ever find anyone to complain having axe on their team and if anything axe on the team with troll or sniper was just money.
Where I demean people is a lot of ppl whine about ES but yet never play him or suck at it right away and don't put in the practice and go back to play some easy right clicker owning the meta but your right he can be OP after some practice. Also on that note you took me up on my challenge but like most the late ppl joining the ES fray looks like most your success was the blink changes as 90% of your games are last 3 months on ES and not around the time you reference the above post. So really did you play ES during that time referenced above? Not really. By that time I made that post I believe was the remnant refresh nerf when it was 35 seconds for a new stone which at the time as small as 5 seconds was very painful.
Like I said we have partied together before shocked you even let me since there was so much salt in that past post and on that note if you see Licecoleny on tell him to play more.
Lastly, I do not use quickcast or any fancy keys and so to me its all still positional and aiming. Which I believe last few patches someone correct me if I'm wrong there was some glitch with es if you weren't right on the stone he would just stand in place and not do anything when giving the kick command. On that note I read somewhere now you can just put a stone down on your picture and kick any direction you want regardless of facing I cannot confirm that or deny.
the dmg nerf is just too much for es, im srs, this hero deals really nothing before he hits lvl 8.
its like only control, u cant kill shit so he'll fall off in late even more now, since he wont have same early impact~
Axe doesn't seem to be a winning factor anymore, people never complained about him, then they complained, now people are still kind of grumbling about what is essentially a crippled hero.
A lot of these heroes are "balanced" till they come into the meta then people cry about them, they get patched, then people start over. The only balance meepo, and earth spirit have is there ability to not be played by anyone else all the other heroes are respectfully balanced to an extent.
^ Ok, you're officially braindead if you said so. ES is probably one of the most fun/action packed heroes in the game, you clearly never played the hero in your life or played it well so you can enjoy it.
Rofl, Sampson cant even play 3 passive hero and he's talking about how he doesnt like ES. No fuckin wonder :D
Axe is pretty weak at the moment and I am unsure this next patch has done anything to improve his standing with me so I would in no way consider him to be that strong at the moment and come to mention it neither is Viper so albeit these heroes are pretty basic they aren't really the same bread winners as ES is.
This is why the troll has become such an annoyance for some along with sniper because it's severe brokenness with very little skill required but the brokenness of ES shouldn't be underestimated even though it requires some initial practice to get to that point.
Just because someone can't/doesn't play a hero that you do, or play heroes like Meepo/ES shouldn't really demean them in the eyes or others neither should picking these heroes. If someone takes the time to learn then, then great!
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For the lol's lets re-read this topic http://www.dotabuff.com/topics/2014-04-27-if-you-play-furion-or-lycan-right-now where you basically were mad at Lycan, and Natures during a meta where they were popular. BTW I did those ES games you wanted :)
I think you have a habit of moaning about other heroes (and with respect) this is done while maining a hero that has always been pretty strong patch to patch.
EDIT: Also do you use quickcast for ES I couldn't seem to get the kicks right with quick cast so gave up. How do you do it with or without?
@last i think you ment me didnt you
@havoc
Axe is a very strong hero this last meta and is a strong chunk of glue to team fight.
Like you said he isn't that strong to where he is running around and peoples main complaint but lord combine him with any combo this hero is john Rambo.
I only say this because I was wondering if part of your post was me calling out Simpsons last games.
@fire what did you think I meant you about?
Hell one guy on here I forgot who has awesome stats with every hero on his most played but had ES like 4th most played with 27% win rate
Yep thats me
Oh lol that old thread. I'll give you more thoughtful reply when I'm not using my cell phone. Hmm you remember that thread it surprises me and you never mentioned It when we played in a party once.played in a party once.
Also I still hate furion and he will always be my most unfavorite hero.
Also side note havoc why you coming at me hard I'm fine with the ES nerfs I merely want him in CM
@fire yes that was you ;)
Side note havoc how can you say axe isn't strong when he was so useful in these last pro tournaments for one even with the Euls blink change.
did Havoc hurt your feelings
Not at all he is right I have a tendency to make some posts about certain heroes but I do believe he is incorrect on other aspects.
Everything about you still stands and it's rather pathetic minus I agree with you on smurf players.
@Havoc from my laptop.
+1 for digging that thread out and yes I have to take my medicine I hit a breaking point with the flavor of meta heroes and I still hate furion tbh and time to time I still rage on meta powered heroes like after a hour long game where eventually sniper/troll/axe any combo eventually high grounds you to giving up. (even worse solo queing.)
First as I say above not sure why your coming so hard on me when I don't personally mind the nerfs one bit. I merely believe this was the time for him to be put into CM if even temporarily and taken out prior to International Qualifiers if need be.
Second, how are you always touting Axe as weak? In pubs and across all skill levels he is not weak in fact shockingly his popularity has even surpassed Pudge.
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/played?date=patch_6.83c
Tournament wise he is a key player still:
http://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/2418/picks
http://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/2339/picks
I highly doubt you would ever find anyone to complain having axe on their team and if anything axe on the team with troll or sniper was just money.
Where I demean people is a lot of ppl whine about ES but yet never play him or suck at it right away and don't put in the practice and go back to play some easy right clicker owning the meta but your right he can be OP after some practice. Also on that note you took me up on my challenge but like most the late ppl joining the ES fray looks like most your success was the blink changes as 90% of your games are last 3 months on ES and not around the time you reference the above post. So really did you play ES during that time referenced above? Not really. By that time I made that post I believe was the remnant refresh nerf when it was 35 seconds for a new stone which at the time as small as 5 seconds was very painful.
Like I said we have partied together before shocked you even let me since there was so much salt in that past post and on that note if you see Licecoleny on tell him to play more.
Lastly, I do not use quickcast or any fancy keys and so to me its all still positional and aiming. Which I believe last few patches someone correct me if I'm wrong there was some glitch with es if you weren't right on the stone he would just stand in place and not do anything when giving the kick command. On that note I read somewhere now you can just put a stone down on your picture and kick any direction you want regardless of facing I cannot confirm that or deny.
the dmg nerf is just too much for es, im srs, this hero deals really nothing before he hits lvl 8.
its like only control, u cant kill shit so he'll fall off in late even more now, since he wont have same early impact~
Axe doesn't seem to be a winning factor anymore, people never complained about him, then they complained, now people are still kind of grumbling about what is essentially a crippled hero.
A lot of these heroes are "balanced" till they come into the meta then people cry about them, they get patched, then people start over. The only balance meepo, and earth spirit have is there ability to not be played by anyone else all the other heroes are respectfully balanced to an extent.
ES Players asking for 1vs1 on Dotabuff
I saw everything, can rest in peace
^---I'll watch if you accept his 1v1 ;)
^ Don't think I can beat High skill bracket ES players.
^---whose high skill bracket?
By the way funny seeing you putting me on blast instead of the guy who already put you on blast.
^ I was talking to the other guy not you.
^ itz on.
3 2 1 FIGHT!
10/10 thread
^----I'd be down for a custom game mid 5vs5 earth spirit only matchup :)
Where is Sampson, i miss him already :O
he killed himself a week ago after his post he said he gave up on life and was going to eat 200 ritalins
i'm not high skill player =(
Come on ES players, don't go and gain the reputation of the Invoker mainers of a while ago.
It's all fun and games till Last Picking comes in and starts bashing the 5k players about his 3k ES plays.
Then it becomes like a sitcom.
^^ We'll never be like Invoker mainers, we're more handsome and the hero is sexier than Invoker.
Soul eater your still in high skill and I'm not. Shocking.
Efextide after talking with licecolony I've decided to bury the hatchet with you.
Hero can't be sexier than invoker.
Also yeah, all this hero maining just turns to garbage frotting (penis fencing) just let it rest.
Licecolony is a nice guy
maybe u should not specialize in a single hero...
^ I don't? Dunno what you mean. I can play other heroes as good as ES, well not all of them but mostly all of them.
I've played all heroes but slark and drow....I'd probably have won more if I put aside my hate and played slark ;)
People thinks u cant play an hero when u have 3x games at ur top, thats is retarded