General Discussion

General DiscussionAghs gyro = 300+ extra gpm and insane antipush?

Aghs gyro = 300+ extra gpm and insane antipush? in General Discussion
casual gamer

    after lv. 16 you can oneshot a creep wave every 45 seconds until around min 50 (?)

    how is this not abused

    TripleSteal-

      by that time most carries are able to clean waves very quickly, and aghs doesnt rly give any comparative advantage in these terms.

      Bait Master Elite

        gyro should be fighting early, hes not a late game carry. he also has enough wave clear in flack and rocket barrage to farm fast. global ult dosnt improve farm speed enough to make it worth it.

        Gerry

          Gyro can already one shot 2 creep waves per minute with flak cannon... build dps

          Jorges Sanz

            Its not even close to 300+ extra GPM... Using a global call down is equivalent to using AA ice blast for farming/pushing, inefficient and too high of an opportunity cost in terms of missing out kills and momentum control when pushing or defending high ground.

            Besides, an euls or dagger or even forcestaff would give arguably better set-up potential.

            Luxon

              It's not equivalent to spamming ice blast because ice blast doesn't kill creep waves.

              Jorges Sanz

                You're right ice blast doesnt kill off the whole creep wave. You usually can get half of the creep wave (1 ranged + 1 melee unless there is a really huge wave which is the only time global calldown is useful), my point is that the opportunity cost still exists if you want to use it for farming.

                #12

                  well the thing is that those creep waves would push up anyway a lot of the time, so while you are getting more farm, your team isn't getting any more off the map. Its a bit like using NP's ult to farm, something like HoD used to stack ancients might be better for your team.

                  Dire Wolf

                    It might be ok if aghs was a good item for gyro otherwise, if he was a stat crazy hero, but he's not, he is a dmg crazy hero for flak cannon and wants mobility items to survive. So going aghs is marginal benefit to him, the stats on it don't do much, so just to refarm the cost of aghs will take like 10 mins if you're saying it only increases farm by ~300 gpm.

                    Mortimer Smith

                      retard object in gyro i think

                      Jorges Sanz

                        The last time gyro was relevant as a carry (flak cannon build) was as long ago as when Loda was relevant.

                        Just get other retarded stuff like blademail or dagon aside from whats already mentioned. Not sure if homing missile works with Tusk's snowball but its something i would be curious to know...

                        casual gamer

                          just played a game with it (had a satanic in stash)

                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1348775350

                          i could easily hit 800-900 gpm if i wasnt awful, the bulk from aghs is good, and the extra cast range is useful in fights obviously

                          around the 40 ish min mark you can just sell the aghs and buy a daedalus or whatever, you farm so goddamn fast it doesnt matter

                          matrice

                            The idea of agah is not bad, but the problem with gyro is mainly reaching the bkb + 1 dps item without being too far behind.

                            Considering the cost of agah, achieving bkb + agah = almost reaching the state of win.

                            Dire Wolf

                              I feel like in that match it wouldn't matter what you build since you and mid were both stomping hard. You have to do a comparison if rushing something else like mkb or daedulus first (or even yasha, or mom, some farming item) is better.