General Discussionjuggernaut has eclipsed pudge in weekly popularity on dotabuff

Dudes gonna get the nerf bat.

the juggernaut stats for very high ranked games this week look pretty unreal

what site is that

http://dotamax.com/hero/played/?ladder=all&skill=all&time=week

Does anyone knows, why he suddenly became popular, in pubs and competitive scene?

they changed the BAT. Everyone noticed that and those that didn't got showered with reddit posts about it. And they all went full Kreygasm and shit saying how that was so good and op and so they started masspicking him and experimenting. And they just kept winning :). Other people noticed that playing against it was a nightmare and it looked so ez to win with so they started picking him too.

So many possibilities.

troll or jugg ?

i thought we were talking about jugg, sry if im wrong.

And on the troll topic -> try him as support, super good.

6 agi at start, 5% more crit with 1 point. That's a huge difference for a hero that was already borderline op. Now he's ridiculous.

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volvo pls nerf

Ah so that is the reason. Ty boys.

On the other hand, Sampson is that you? Haleluia

i think i read somewhere that now he can autoattack while omnislashing as soon as he has 200 attack speed which is easy to get

I have a week or so more of freedom so I am using this time to be as productive as possible to society :)

Nice high skill games Sampson, so good and smart :)

omg .....

I tanked my solo MM like 900 over the course of 3 days before I moved so now I have to get it back up. At 3700 now and it is still painful dealing with some of the horrible players.

@DRANK VODKA WON DOTKA
slash of ult are each 0.4 sec, if you want one auto attack per slash, you need then that 1.4/as < 0.4
which mean 350 as (or +250 as)

oo fuck did not noticed that this was a necro.....

@Matrice

http://2p.com/7366853_1/Optimizing-Omnislash-Juggernaut-in-681b-by-thunderfunking.htm

my nigga

Sampson, number showed in it are wrong; for as > 250, it is only valid if you don't switch target; cause if you switch target the "timer" of attack restart, thus increasing the time of next attack. So basically, it's almost impossible to have 2 attack in one slash

i found that troll is much much stronger than jugger atleast as a jungler

@Matrice

explain more(Im not disagreeing with you since I am too lazy to actually get into the minor details of dota but I am just going off what I have seen from pros and websites)

What if you want to attack 2 times during a slice? Is that possible?

It is possible with 300+as like np, IF you don't switch target.

Sampson, just imagine bone.
Awfull animation to make the first attack, and if you don't change target, it just goes smoothly for the next attacks.
(mb if you play or watch a bit of starcraft, you noticed how thor take shitload of time to make the first attack, and then attack regulary)

Well if you switch target, you start again that "first attack animation" which delay a bit your next attack (if your attaque speed is high enough -which is the case for jugg <0.4sec per attack-)
I'd search for a playdota guide about "backswing?" animation that will be better explained.

Edit: seems to be frontswing from what i fastly read
Edit2: no longer sure, but it's one of the two above ^^)

Yeah, matrice is correct, the Clinkz example was perfect. Another hero with huge backswing animation is Zeus.

its like the troll passive! same target wrecks havoc, changing target makes his attack speed boost reset

so does it count if you stay on the same target?