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General DiscussionEarthshaker and Omniknight are FUCKING BULLSHIT!!

Earthshaker and Omniknight are FUCKING BULLSHIT!! in General Discussion
Eric

    Every fucking game against these guys I LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE!! Earthshaker stuns the fuck out of me, omniknight's stupid ult and repel both last too long, and I can't do shit!

    Can't they do something about these heroes or at least have any serious hard counters?

    outerspaceboys

      ply meepo.

      playinginursockdrawer mm soc

        http://youtu.be/MajlyRvePQc?t=1m14s
        Replace demons with guardian angel and warlock with omniknight.

        Eric

          Is this a joke? Meepo is destroyed by Earthshaker. And a omni with aghs and refresher - you can just forget about winning. I'm a nervous wreck right now and I don't need stupid answers. I want to know why I fucking lose to these two every fucking game because I'm sick of it! Either get me a hard counter to these two or request them to be nerfed!

          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1145592153

          Omni here had a refresher and an aghs. I got horribly angry afterwards and caused a nasty racket in my house. I'm still burning with rage - not going to hesitate to attack anyone right now.

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          Hopeless

            the issue is people in normal bracket have no clue how to press advantage.

            Pick heroes that snowball or push to end the game fast.

            Eric

              Our centaur sold a pipe for assault cuirass.

              They told me not to go blink dagger which possibly could've helped.

              playinginursockdrawer mm soc

                If getting unconventional items means that you win, buy unconventional items.
                I don't care if a Wraith King truly benefits from a pipe or diffusal, what's the point of a carry that does only mjollnir procs and a stun?
                Getting diffusal on any hero is better than ever before because of 6.82 and 6.83.

                outerspaceboys

                  no joke, i rekt es, lina, jakiro with meepo, ply meepo.

                  Eric

                    That's only cause the enemy team was likely really bad.

                    I'm prob high

                      Pick doom, doom omni, win fight

                      SPIB0X

                        The bigger problem you have is your rage lol...

                        Nobody should cause a racket in their house and rage with anger to the point of assault. Remember its just a game, you're ALWAYS gonna lose games and will win some too. You will NEVER have a 100% win rate and even the PRO's play games where they get stomped on...

                        Get an orchids or play silencer or do both... Omni is a bitch without his spells so is ES. If both hero's are silenced they are useless. BKB also negates ES's stuns (correct me if im wrong). There are plenty of items and heros that can counter their combo. Just need to relax, take a second to think about what it is they are doing to own you and ask yourself If i am in their shoes what are the things that I'd need to be careful of or what are the things that could STOP me from getting my moves off...

                        The beauty with DotA2 as much as we all hate to admit it, and hate certain heros or combos the game is very balanced and there are answers to just about every item/hero in this game.. Experience and knowledge will teach you how to counter-pick or counter-skill heros out of the game :)

                        THICC BABY SHUM

                          OMG I LOVE SPIBOXES

                          SPIB0X

                            I'm confused... Are you poking fun at my name or showing a sign of appreciation for what I posted?

                            outerspaceboys

                              dude, we're pretty much on the same MMR and normal skill and scrubs xaxa, so does your enemy, their really bad.

                              THICC BABY SHUM

                                No, I rlly met you yesterday and wanted to talk to you about our relationship.

                                THICC BABY SHUM

                                  It was my most favorite store in Australia.)))

                                  SPIB0X

                                    I have no idea what you are talking about....

                                    I've never seen a SPIBOX store.

                                    MARLAN

                                      play meepo mid.

                                      es will be all like HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS MEEPO and instantly initate on you. then your carry walks in and cleans up. and that's assuming you die every time, if you don't, then just slaughter them :)

                                      as for omni just buy diffusal blade...

                                      outerspaceboys

                                        yea someone agree with me

                                        THICC BABY SHUM

                                          Im talking about you babe, you sillyXD)) I was the guy in jeens and a shirt talking toy you in the store.

                                          Gerry

                                            Game analysis points

                                            1) You got greedy and gave up first blood. Omni baited you and healed... you died
                                            2) At 2:20 you traded all your health for a kill on the support omni knight, you could have got the same gold if you just let him walk back to base and kept your health by lasthitting.
                                            3) For the next 2 minutes you managed 1 last hit because you were so low health and just sat leaching xp, while omni was able to tp back to lane after you killed him with full health and mana.
                                            4) at 4:20 You got baited again by a low health hero vs omni, your support ended up getting the kill after you died
                                            5) for the next 3 minutes (now at 7:40 mark) you have traded all your health for 2 failed gank attempts. You consider walking back to base, but stay in lane...
                                            6) at 7:40 You walk up to a creep to last hit, and omni heals the creep and kills you
                                            7) for the next 2 minutes you stand still waiting for a good gank opportunity, you and your 3 teammates wipe 3 of them, luckily the omni knight didn't repel the magnus, because if he RP'd you it would have been 3-0 the other way.
                                            8) At 10 minute mark, you are the 3rd lowest net worth, your lane support has higher net worth, and you have fed about 800 gold as a result of your deaths.

                                            There is no need to analyze the game further. You need to work on your first 10 minutes.

                                            Goals as the safe lane farmer:

                                            1) Focus on farming, not killing, early kills net you 200-250 gold, a total of 5 last hits
                                            2) Focus on lane control, keep the lane in the sweet spot between the river and the gap nearest your tower. You control the lane by keeping the same number of creeps on both sides, auto attack your own creeps if you have to.
                                            3) If you are blessed with great lane support like lina again vs 2 melee, you should have easily 40 (low) 55 (med) or 70 (high) last hits.
                                            4) Do not trade health by walking through enemy creeps to attack enemy. If you stun, do not right click on the enemy. Right click on the ground beside the enemy, then right click on the enemy. You will save about 300 health doing this alone.
                                            5) Health management is very important, keep your health high, low health attracts ganks.

                                            Practice vs bots for 5 times just do the first 10 minutes, set the bots to hard or unfair, then play a game, you will see a big difference. Do this every day for a week and you will gain 500 mmr.

                                            Tips vs Omni knight

                                            1) Mana is everything, let your lane mate harass him to force him to heal
                                            2) After he heals.. then you can kill him, or safely harass him for 10 seconds
                                            3) Diffusal blade takes off both repel and omni ult
                                            4) Omni is great at baiting, always check his mana, and learn to count to 10

                                            hopefully this helps you.

                                            Gerry

                                            SPIB0X

                                              Good response Gerry - Just reading this made me realise that i trade health frequently by walking through creep waves or right clicking and walking over while creeps hit me...

                                              I have a bad habit of this.

                                              MILNOR

                                                I carry a hammer to nail down your sins

                                                ❤ Ashley ❤

                                                  normal skill lol u r bad

                                                  outerspaceboys

                                                    r u wave? lol :v

                                                    Eric

                                                      "Goals as the safe lane farmer:

                                                      1) Focus on farming, not killing, early kills net you 200-250 gold, a total of 5 last hits
                                                      2) Focus on lane control, keep the lane in the sweet spot between the river and the gap nearest your tower. You control the lane by keeping the same number of creeps on both sides, auto attack your own creeps if you have to.
                                                      3) If you are blessed with great lane support like lina again vs 2 melee, you should have easily 40 (low) 55 (med) or 70 (high) last hits.
                                                      4) Do not trade health by walking through enemy creeps to attack enemy. If you stun, do not right click on the enemy. Right click on the ground beside the enemy, then right click on the enemy. You will save about 300 health doing this alone.
                                                      5) Health management is very important, keep your health high, low health attracts ganks."

                                                      Okay yeah I didn't do too good with the laning. I always end up getting greedy with Wraith King because of Wraithfire blast.

                                                      In addition, I really think I should've just bought blink dagger and bkb much earlier. There was no need to go Heavens Halberd and Mjollnir, I was following my team's advice and shouldn't have listened.

                                                      sano

                                                        Shaker is not a hard counter to meepo, this is normal skill bracket myth

                                                        Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                          If you let a hero that farms terribly slowly get an aghs and refresher, you shouldn't win anyway.

                                                          CaptainDreads

                                                            Why people refuse the get diffusal against Omni always baffles me.

                                                            Luxon

                                                              Pick Shadow Demon, farm aghs and remove 3 angels + repel at once.
                                                              Jokes aside, IDK just pick jugger and farm diffusal or something. ES doesn't even seem like a real problem.

                                                              Rocket

                                                                if you don't want to buy diffusal you can also get a helm and dominate the little satyr for a purge.

                                                                or just pick razor and stop crying.

                                                                CaptainDreads

                                                                  I actually think that Shadow Demon is a legit core mid in certain situations.

                                                                  Shadow poison can be a pain to lane against 1v1
                                                                  As soon as you hit 6 you have quite good gank potential
                                                                  Rush an aghs and get 3 purges for more damage and single target cc

                                                                  http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/975256822
                                                                  http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/940539134

                                                                  These are normal skill games though so not sure if it would work in higher brackets

                                                                  npc
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                                                                    Bad Intentions

                                                                      silencer destroys them both

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