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Stick not Wand in General Discussion
Story Time

    buying wand is silly almost on all heros, especially supports... (except a few situations like laning versus BB or zeus). Change my mind...

    Potato Marshal

      You get double the charges, and it's often a good idea to start with a couple of branches, especially for plenty of int supports that means an extra 30 mana at the start. I also rarely sell items as a support unless it's a very late game scenario, so I might as well upgrade my stick.

      玉玉小子

        The item is like a seat belt. You might not need it but when you do you'd wish you have one.

        It's a life saver and buying you some times when you(r hero)'re dying. Worth the 450 golds.

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        invis?

          you are n00b

          Story Time

            ^i meant upgrade to wand is silly, having stick is ok

            invis?

              =P

              Rocket

                300hp burst is better than 150hp burst.

                Cheap Laugh Guy

                  Nice early quickbuy if I get killed

                  ...

                    depends on the situation

                    Potato PC

                      IO disagree.

                      Alpha

                        Dazzle disagree too.

                        despair

                          I always upgrade it to wand for the extra charges, but it might not be necessary for some mid heroes like kunkka, the extra 250 gold is a good investment for an item that can potentially save ur life(prioritize this over lace)

                          Eat Soup With A Fork

                            No one is talking about the mana it gives, its like a free mango every teamfight. Which is a HUGE game changer for some heroes who have some mana issues (of course you should use it when you have a little missing health and mana)

                            Shou

                              If ur against heroes who give ez charges do it
                              U shud upgrade if ur a core against a dual lane, but as a support it depends on whether other items have priority

                              one syllable anglo-saxon

                                U shud upgrade if ur a core against a dual lane, but as a support it depends on whether other items have priority

                                "if other items have priority over item x then get them otherwise get item x"

                                amazing insight

                                Eddie

                                  Ignore Washed Up aka NaCl he tends to repeat what's already obvious

                                  Rocket

                                    Simply upgrade it when you think you are going to be getting more than 10 charges. Super good value if so, super bad value if no.

                                    low prio master

                                      Better than mek on io

                                      Suck my tiny curry dick

                                        If ur against heroes who give ez charges do it
                                        U shud upgrade if ur a core against a dual lane, but as a support it depends on whether other items have priority

                                        PrizmIzOld

                                          oh man. you don't really pop your wand 24/7. you collect charges.

                                          wand gives cheap stats plus more charges.

                                          However, I kinda agree with you about supports. I prefer double mango instead of a wand or even a stick. Buying a wand on position 5 is expensive AF. Mango gives mana, passive hp regen and you can share it. But on the other hand it's supports end game slot almost always lol. So, why not to invest?

                                          But still there's nothing better than cheap stats plus charges for positions 1-3. you can sell it for half the price so it's a benefit over mango for sure.

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                                          76561198016552564

                                            I can't think of a lot of situations where Stick is good, but not Wand. If you already want to buy a Stick, the two branches and recipe turn it into one of the most cost efficient stat items in the game. That extra mana and HP helps a lot as a support.

                                            Oscar Mayer Weaver

                                              I think you get the wand upgrade when you want stats and more charges.

                                              flourishing new leaf

                                                You're wrong, wand upgrade is always better than stick, ALwAYS! Sucks that there's a recipe now, makes it harder and a hassle to build.

                                                Oscar Mayer Weaver

                                                  That’s true. Wand is better than stick. Daedalus better than crystalis.

                                                  flourishing new leaf

                                                    Sigh, fucking <5k trash talking. Impossible to carry trash

                                                    Oscar Mayer Weaver

                                                      I’m very sad. You hurt my feelings. So scary, a Dota pro. Please help me.

                                                      Shou

                                                        considering the shit i see on this forum, pointing out obvious things is far from bad

                                                        Squints

                                                          "Sigh, fucking <5k trash talking. Impossible to carry trash"

                                                          LOL, says the guy teetering on high skill bracket, i.e. 3k player. Such trash. Feed more, like last 10 games.

                                                          Shou

                                                            who wouldve thought the upgrade is better than the original?
                                                            :thinking:

                                                            Murranji

                                                              Most recent wand (1.5 hp regen, plus stats) was the best. The HP regen was enough to actually provide enough regen for the lane for you to remain there without needing to get a ring of health or bottle to keep laning. Then they had to go and change it, and nerf mango hp regen on top of that so now instead of just buying 1 mango for 1hp regen at 100 gold you have to spend 140 gold for 1.2 regen and have 2 unsellable mangoes stuck in your inventory or forgo that and save for ring of health. It sucks.

                                                              Never mind the ridiculousness of needing to use the courier to ship out the wand recipe again. This was the number 1 reason I never bothered with wand before since outside the laning phase it’s not worth bothering with buying a wand.

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                                                                Arc

                                                                  I build magic wand literally to every support in my game. Cheap stats 3 attributes to all (compared to buying slipper of agility, gauntlet of strength and mantle of intelligence) and you can store up to 300 hp + mana for last resort of survival or killing blow. On core however, its situational (especially facing against bristle, skywrath, zeus etc.). The hell is wrong with you

                                                                  Story Time

                                                                    what a glorious thread initiated by my troll post :D
                                                                    PS Frog, please upgrade the stats on Wand to at least +4 to all stats, not this shitty +3

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