General DiscussionRazor and veno safelane

veno has like a 5 sec 70% slow. Razor has a skill that requires him to stay close to a target to be effective.

link + slow seems cool on paper never tried it tho.

unless your talking like both moving to safelane carry, then I don't know.

I mean they are shit last pqtch and becomes popular this patch

razor was a lot because of the buff to his ult and the fact that hes a good counter to troll.

carry the game by making the offlaner shoot his head

I think veno is because of the shift of meta towards supports that can utilise jungle camps early on and get decent farm while still controlling the lane and having kill potential.... cuz ye know roamers are getting nerfed every patch and cm got nerfed to shit now .....so they gotta find a replacement and veno and warlock are very strong substitutes

veno is like a top tier carry now, idk why you'd waste time playing him as a shitty useless support. i'm pretty sure no one is retarded enough to put a razor into pos 5.

I mean as a core. So you are saying that core veno is mainly because of his good laning potential

Let me guess
Veno core is popular because he is a good deathball hero. He dont need that much item(i think only veil) to deal damage so he could spend his money on utility item like halberd or pipe and go deathball. The same thing with razor

veno is good because he can take the tower in less than 8 minutes, then can rotate to other lanes and take the towers there

he's amazing at teamfights and pushing, which is basically what this patch is all about

it's braindead but that's what it is.

Cuki any good veno player in this current meta. I want to do some replay analysis

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