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General DiscussionDoes dota put you with lesser players when you have better win rate?

Does dota put you with lesser players when you have better win rate? in General Discussion
wait for me

    I'm having good win rate for a few weeks and suddenly all my team mates have less than 50% winrate, some of them have less than 45% winrate. However, my opponents have much higher winrate than 50%.

    Is this normal?? Or dota does it to slow down your mmr gaining??

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    kowareta

      nO!

      after some win streaks
      suddenly in 4k mmr u get 2-3 divine 3 players mean while enemy -> 5 ancient. INTERESTING!
      u play against 2 sup who insta tp when u diving enemy midlaner. meanwhile ur pos 5 not even buying cour !!!
      but this is just random buddy.

      it happens every game, but its just random.

      remember, a 6k player can win this games on his own.
      just play like 6ks to win ur trash 2k game and reaching 3k, LUL!

      Pale Mannie

        forced 50 puts you with <49% wr shitters after some time

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        J0s3e

          Yes
          Is too short (minimum is 6 characters)

          kav

            honestly i dont even know why u posted this, you seems to be doing fine honestly not like a massive losing streak or anything. Just keep up and you will climb up your mmr

            kowareta

              ^ just try a bit more and u will understand!
              he didnt said he is losing mmr cause of that. he is saying about "slowing down"

              yes keep up with 51% winrate and u will be 3k after no time.

              stalin of dota

                Yes.

                Too add more fun it works other way around! When you are shitter you get to play with better players on your team.

                Yami Yugi

                  Valve send them to test you, shall you have your mettle then it won't be a problem to you. (Valve grin like maniac)

                  LucaManny

                    Why u play on so many server wtf

                    Zola

                      No, it is very negative to think like that. Please dont, valve will never do something like that, if they have a low winrate, but they're still at your rank, it shows that they still have the skill level around you. I had a 600 mmr increase over a span of 1 week at one point. If you ever find yourself losing mmr constantly, its most likely you, take a day off and just stop grinding, watch some replays and learn new heroes, i guarantee you will gain mmr

                      DC.MASON

                        ^ wrong

                        wait for me

                          @Desephviasco, in my early days, I uses to run around the map and play like a retard. I wanted to play in many different servers to see how people interact with each other. Also sometimes I played in high ping server just for battle pass abuse.

                          Leafclubb🍃 ♫

                            Not sure about winrate but anyway. I have 62% winrate with 10k Behavior score and at Div 2 and matches always take so long to find = =. Like 3-9 mins

                            wait for me

                              Teach me senpai

                              Oldman

                                Its true. I can give 10 examples straight away.

                                After winning streaks Im being usually matched against smurfs with 70%+ win rate and the rest od their team is on green days. At the same time your team is on red days. Its false that they have simmilar skill. Usually you are matched with weekend players or players playing after huge break. Next game after loss I check db again and its the same situation. Again team on read days vs team on green days with a smurf usually.

                                Its not an even game then. In even games I usually win. I dont play core roles but pos 4 most of the time. You can make sickes plays ever and still lose. After 3 such games in a row when game is already lost on the draft or your team’s draft put you all on a strong disadvantage its questionable why do I even play dota. I takes 3 another hours at least to get that mmr back.

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                                kowareta

                                  ^ no its just random
                                  doesnt matter if it happens every time

                                  randomly this happens to me over and over
                                  shaman pos 4 turning into mirana/pudge pos 4 after gaining 400 mmr
                                  there is more pudge picker as u go higher in mmr. not related to my 70% winrate at that moment.

                                  Oldman

                                    Its not normal that on 4.5 k mmr I win easy and on 3 k games are in streaks of decent play and pure stupidity.

                                    Systems works in some kind of a manner. And im pretty sure you can get a shiet quality team just because you got reported cos you had a quarell with someone in previous game. It cant be god damn RANDOM to put you on an obvious disadvantage. And it hit you super hard when you play pos 4 support. You can make top tier plays and feel like it leads to nothing because you see the skill difference between yours and enemy cores. Its a punishment for either good play (win streak) or being reported IMO.

                                    In the past when I reached 5k I used to abuse this fact. You could do 2 things. If you had fast connection you could check your teammates match history and if you saw everyone on red days you could just dodge the game. Leave and get 5 min penalty

                                    You could actually see with your own eyes how the system works. I wonder if you remember this fact?

                                    Thats how I reached 5k playing support back then and Im pretty sure they didnt change it much.

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                                    Yami Yugi

                                      yeah suddenly a 65% winrate player abandon game after several fail gank attempts before mins 15, oh God

                                      Oldman

                                        Then if you remember Valve changed game loading system. You could no longer dodge the game but you could still check other players match history.

                                        There was another fuss about it on reddit. Because bad players were flamed for taking core positions. So Valve made match history invisible to others.

                                        Now people think player distribution in matches is random. Just because you cant see it. Only people with little to no knowledge can write such bullshiet.

                                        There is no fckin way Valve left something in their n1 profitable game random.

                                        People always say 1 thing to it. 6k booster would stomp every single game on my bracket. Man I dont care what 6k mid player would do. I want to see 6k pos 4 player win this one specific game where system puts you on a disadvantage.

                                        The problem why it hits me so hard is because I usually play utility role. Chen, Treant etc. Im very good at saving people and making space for carries. But thats it. Thats why the higher mmr, the easier it is for me to win with a Chen pick for example.

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                                        kowareta

                                          well
                                          the way this system works, make ppl toxic, ruiner and angry.

                                          i just made a new acc to practice some mid heroes, first 4-5 game nobody wants to play midlane. after i won those games, mid contested by my teammates in next games :)).
                                          i lost roll, picked 4. damn, enemy 3 core has 3 bkb against my venom, and my teammates are 1ks who dont know what bkb is!
                                          we have no detection against a mirana. JUST BY RANDOM.

                                          what should i do? is this game even playable if i dont pick core? NO!
                                          welcome to mid or airlines :)

                                          i just wanted a fair game to practice new heroes but now i am a ruiner. i hate my self.

                                          DC.MASON

                                            Its true. I can give 10 examples straight away.

                                            After winning streaks Im being usually matched against smurfs with 70%+ win rate and the rest od their team is on green days. At the same time your team is on red days. Its false that they have simmilar skill. Usually you are matched with weekend players or players playing after huge break. Next game after loss I check db again and its the same situation. Again team on read days vs team on green days with a smurf usually.

                                            Its not an even game then. In even games I usually win. I dont play core roles but pos 4 most of the time. You can make sickes plays ever and still lose. After 3 such games in a row when game is already lost on the draft or your team’s draft put you all on a strong disadvantage its questionable why do I even play dota. I takes 3 another hours at least to get that mmr back.

                                            it's either smurfs or you start getting at least 1 toxic person who gives up and starts buybacking 5 minutes in and tilts down the whole team

                                            suddenly you stop getting commends or god forbid you dare saying something and get reported too
                                            your behavior score starts dropping and it's only a downward spiral from that point

                                            rank 1 AML mafia player

                                              @Kowareta this account runs into the same issue, shit players wanting to play mid in ranked for whatever reason.

                                              Any theories on why it happens?

                                              Oldman

                                                Another story is Smurfing plauge. Nowadays smurfs are common on ancient backet. And it doesnt make you actually learn something from them since the skill difference is too high.

                                                And usually its not only skill difference but also reflexes difference which you cant actually overcome if you are 30+ like me.

                                                kowareta

                                                  if u just use overwolf, u can see how winrate even influencing ur teammates most played roles
                                                  first games -> 2 sup, one safe , one mid, one off
                                                  after +65% winrate -> 2 mid, no sup, 1 other guy who want to play ur role

                                                  its just random btw

                                                  today ,we are just randomly out of supports guys, after u lost the mmr u got, u can have one :)

                                                  DC.MASON

                                                    yeah thank god that i play on divine now
                                                    smurf amount in ancient bracket is absolutely insane

                                                    kowareta

                                                      @Pos 1/2/4 (4 only if ur s...
                                                      pay 4$ and use ranked role if u think u are good
                                                      but in my opinion that will just be a waste of money

                                                      kowareta

                                                        worst part is, u have estimation of ur teammates skill after playing some games with them. like in my first lone druid games , every thing is fine, team gathering when i push, we take towers , getting rosh, 4k seems very high skilled bracket.
                                                        but after few wins, u got like 400 mmr, u assuming games will going even better, 400 mmr higher games, enemy is more skilled so as ur teammates !

                                                        but, im just asking 10 times my jakiro to help me take the goddamn t1 tower! he wont listen, he going top to feed enemy pos 1 alongside his pos 4 mk!

                                                        i dont know how that 4.0k player who pushed with me last week turned to 4.4k player who just wont listen or not even playing his hero (jakiro is tower taker!), and gl not getting mad in this games :)

                                                        rank 1 AML mafia player

                                                          i dont even care what role i play, its just the fact that 3 people put their icon mid, one gets it, game starts, regardless of what role they put, they are just incapable of doing their role's job

                                                          Oldman

                                                            Id rather have 3 people fighting for mid that are versatile and will have impact even if they need to play offlane, rather than people playing only on sunday evening with Cuba Libre by their side.