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General DiscussionAtos on Razor?

Atos on Razor? in General Discussion
ImagineDodong

    Topic is it good? since new Atos is now a stat-ish item and also have a root for rooting runners when Razor uses static link? thoughts.

    Melt

      imo no

      atoss is better now, but not good enough to replace any other core item. still only really good on int heroes because of the low agi
      tried it on luna - its helpfull if you play sup/caster, not as carry

      Cheap Laugh Guy

        Just follow rts builds there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, he won Manila Masters using those builds
        Chasing is now more legit for Razor since Eye prioritize Static Linked target and doesn't makes you flinched a bit when casted
        Phase Aquila
        SnY Aghs Drums
        Blademail

        Atos is a support item
        Why lock them down when you can enjoy chasing them to death?

        dioxgamingpro

          .......

          Check Razor's spells again.

          yeah eye of the storm and static combo? I rather go for sny or eye of skadi then a butterfly.

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          Melt

            wait, is this 3 usefull and serious answers to the topic un a row? :O

            dioxgamingpro

              only me and some other people there are serious.

              chicken spook,,,,

                Meh dps or tankiness increase to make it a worthwhile pickup
                You can always get hex/shiva for control

                ImagineDodong

                  Hmmmm so Atos is not a good item for razor huh? ok but you know as an alternative for Aquila + Drums?

                  chicken spook,,,,

                    Maybe against annoying shitters like AM but thats about it

                    Emon

                      everything can work wakakaka

                      dunce

                        double bracer could be good

                        Emon

                          results first bro :) no one would flame you if you get some 70 percent ish winrate with atos as core then people would shut it haha

                          Melt

                            atos gives:

                            - active root
                            - 300 hp
                            - 12 dmg (agi hero)
                            - 1 armor
                            - 220 mana
                            total 3080 gold

                            drums+aquila:

                            - active ms and as for allied
                            - mana regen/armor aura
                            - 180 hp
                            - 25 dmg
                            - 3,75 armor
                            - 99 mana
                            - 20 move speed
                            - 1.0 + 50% mana regen
                            total 2625 gold

                            the raw stats of drums+aquila are much better for you AND YOUR TEAM at a lower price
                            i dont like drums at all tho. didnt buy that shit in over a year.

                            ImagineDodong

                              But Atos also benefits your team tho, what if you team already thrown out all they're disables and your team will need extra disables for enemies that tries to escape especially when they tp infront of you.

                              chicken spook,,,,

                                Why get more disable when you can increase dps to make the most out of your team's disable

                                ImagineDodong

                                  True, but dps won't be a problem since Razor just steals damage from enemies, I'm just throwing out ideas.

                                  Melt

                                    if you go like phaseboots aquila atos you wont have any attack speed. dps denied by your build?

                                    ImagineDodong

                                      What about PT and Atos? no Aquilla and Drums, then proceed with idk Aghs then BM and SnY? I'm just really throwing out ideas because I think Atos stats right now is pretty decent.

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                                      Kiru

                                        The main reason why atos is questionable isn't stats. It's the 2s root. Razor is a slow hero. Not slow as far as moving goes, slow as far as bringing down the enemy goes. So what good does a 2s root do for you? Elusive heroes will get away afterwards anyway, as you didn't bring them down yet. Heroes you can chase afterwards you probably could've chased anyway. TP canceling? If you really need to itemize for that, maybe, but euls is another idea there. A probably better one, unless you REALLY want the HP.

                                        Always think about what your hero can do and tries to do. Razor is a hero who enjoys long drawn out fights. You want to get the most out of your link, and before your ultimate has applied some notable -armor you also need some time. This is why you build around chasing and tank. As such it's more interesting to think about picking up items that are good for this kind of stuff.
                                        Atos is generally an item for heroes that can really do something with the 2s root. For example some heroes use the big cast-range to follow with stuns and burst (i.e. Lina, Lion, Lesh, Shadow Shaman could all do something like that..).